Lord Lucan Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Just got in from work, didn't bother with the updates site result spoke volumes? Absolutely dreadful performance from the Comets probably one of the worst displays up there in many years, suppose Josh was due a bad one but no real excuses for the other's, Rene apart, looks like he was the only one to try and take the fight to the Monarchs but you cant do that on your own? Something sadly has gone amiss with us especially against the top sides, we just dont seem able to compete with them on their tracks as much as they do on our's, definitely haven't seen the improvement across the board that we were hoping for at the start of the season and that does look very ominous, too many of our guys have just stagnated, mainly sticking to their average or a fraction either way, not good enough really to get us to where we wanted to be? Certainly dont expect us to lose that badly again this season but this has proved my point about the LC Semi the other day, we didn't want the final and this result would have, if repeated, killed that final stone dead after one leg? We have lost our way a bit lately, confidence probably not very high at the moment and we have a long way still to go, a couple of good results somewhere will perk us up again but it's not how we envisaged this year panning out, got to knuckle down and get on with it now, try and get the mojo back and make a strong push for the final run in, we are better than this, we have to be otherwise we've nothing to play for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 I must say what the hell was that guy doing running onto the track during the race to get something that fell of Renes bike. he could of got killed just as well they were all riding the inside line going into the corner because if someone was committed to the outside line they would have hit him and god knows what of happened. Glad you saw that Mr B because I thought my eyes were deceiving me - he almost ran out in front of them, and I saw Deek have a word afterwards. Whoever he is, he shouldn't be on the centre green ever again. Workington won't be the only side to get stuffed at Armadale but they were poor. Maybe the collapse at Redcar had something to do with it but the high expectations for the side at the start of the year have fallen somewhat flat. One last point : I was annoyed at paying full price for a programme that was two weeks old, had an insert and wasn't even a Workington one. That's just a rip off and promotions who complain about fans switching to race sheets from the internet should look at their own practices before mouthing off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Workington won't be the only side to get stuffed at Armadale but they were poor. Maybe the collapse at Redcar had something to do with it but the high expectations for the side at the start of the year have fallen somewhat flat. Team as selected was poor at start of season, hardly any potential improvers in the lineup. Wells,Campton & Mills really stood out in that respect. Agree 110% re programme Edited July 19, 2014 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 come on worky, you know you can hit 30. looks like i was wrong, at this moment in time. we could not hit a barn door with a full set of darts..monarchs gonna clean up every where.. well done to the (s)mugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Team as selected was poor at start of season, hardly any potential improvers in the lineup. Wells,Campton & Mills really stood out in that respect. I think that's said with the benefit of hindsight. I can't find the prediction thread but if memory serves me correctly there weren't many who left them out of the top 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 I think that's said with the benefit of hindsight. I can't find the prediction thread but if memory serves me correctly there weren't many who left them out of the top 6. Not really, they struggled from get go. Once Edin beat them at home they have just rolled over and wanted a tummy rub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Not really, they struggled from get go. Once Edin beat them at home they have just rolled over and wanted a tummy rub. Little harsh (the comment about the Edinburgh match is pretty much spot on). They have won a at least a couple of away matches and are within a good shout of the top six. I'd say that what looked like a good team on paper hasn't come up to expectations. About the opposite of Edinburgh, in fact. Edited July 19, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Nobody in the the promotion with the balls to tell the riders the truth, been under performing all season. wont get many workington fans arguing with you on this theres just something in the ridding style of some off the riders that says they are not fully comited 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Good to see a post from Halifax tiger , expected that score from Edinburgh last night probably not many Comets fans travelled up North..... The Monarchs looking strong favourites for the League......but things can change in the play offs!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Glad you saw that Mr B because I thought my eyes were deceiving me - he almost ran out in front of them, and I saw Deek have a word afterwards. Whoever he is, he shouldn't be on the centre green ever again. Workington won't be the only side to get stuffed at Armadale but they were poor. Maybe the collapse at Redcar had something to do with it but the high expectations for the side at the start of the year have fallen somewhat flat. One last point : I was annoyed at paying full price for a programme that was two weeks old, had an insert and wasn't even a Workington one. That's just a rip off and promotions who complain about fans switching to race sheets from the internet should look at their own practices before mouthing off. Not an excuse , but at Redcar , the bears pulled it back with a tactical and a few heats with us having to field 1 rider , oh and the strange watering past gate 4 and the bends before heat 15 , riding against a full home team with 5 riders done bloody well to keep the score to two !! Over the course of two nights we have had really poor guests who when you are already carrying r/r just can't do it against full teams especially edinburgh who are riding the quest of the wave on confidence . Workington not the only team on paper that look the business but for some reason it's just not working , Newcastle, Sheffield another two teams it just doesn't seem to be working. Speedway is a sport you need a bit of Lady Luck along the way but that's speedway . Workington need to get that fighting spirit back in their bellies , they can do it they showed that at Rye house and Redcar , (should have been a lot worse with five riders ). We live to fight another day ,you can't give up just have to soldier on !! Right I'm off to make a cuppa and do another rain dance , riding with 4 riders ,2 guests and good old r/r could lead to more heartache tonight wont get many workington fans arguing with you on this theres just something in the ridding style of some off the riders that says they are not fully comited Are you still pissed , please use spell check , lol !!! Edited July 19, 2014 by Taylorj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 We we were pretty decent tonight and the comets were stinking. I must say what the hell was that guy doing running onto the track during the race to get something that fell of Renes bike. he could of got killed just as well they were all riding the inside line going into the corner because if someone was committed to the outside line they would have hit him and god knows what of happened. Had the ref dropped a stitch to not see it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted July 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Had the ref dropped a stitch to not see it? I don't think she even noticed! What made it worse for the guy is he actually fell over as he was picking up whatever fell of bachs bike as he went to pick it up if he never he would of probably made it back no problem, but due to falling over he got left stranded in the middle of the track. End of the day i have no idea what was going through his head to run onto the track and get it in the first place. Edited July 19, 2014 by Mr Blobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Not an excuse , but at Redcar , the bears pulled it back with a tactical and a few heats with us having to field 1 rider , oh and the strange watering past gate 4 and the bends before heat 15 , riding against a full home team with 5 riders done bloody well to keep the score to two !! Over the course of two nights we have had really poor guests who when you are already carrying r/r just can't do it against full teams especially edinburgh who are riding the quest of the wave on confidence . Workington not the only team on paper that look the business but for some reason it's just not working , Newcastle, Sheffield another two teams it just doesn't seem to be working. Speedway is a sport you need a bit of Lady Luck along the way but that's speedway . Workington need to get that fighting spirit back in their bellies , they can do it they showed that at Rye house and Redcar , (should have been a lot worse with five riders ). We live to fight another day ,you can't give up just have to soldier on !! Right I'm off to make a cuppa and do another rain dance , riding with 4 riders ,2 guests and good old r/r could lead to more heartache tonight I think that's pretty much spot on The only thing I would say is that even with 5 riders and a 6pt tactical ride against Comets still should have won with the lead they had built up. I suspect every Workington supporter who came out of STMP was disappointed, even if they might have settled for a point before hand. I wasn't. For me, it was a cracker of a meeting. With the forecast as it is I am not sure you need the rain dance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Glad you saw that Mr B because I thought my eyes were deceiving me - he almost ran out in front of them, and I saw Deek have a word afterwards. Whoever he is, he shouldn't be on the centre green ever again. Workington won't be the only side to get stuffed at Armadale but they were poor. Maybe the collapse at Redcar had something to do with it but the high expectations for the side at the start of the year have fallen somewhat flat. One last point : I was annoyed at paying full price for a programme that was two weeks old, had an insert and wasn't even a Workington one. That's just a rip off and promotions who complain about fans switching to race sheets from the internet should look at their own practices before mouthing off. To be fair to the club they did advertise the fact that if you brought the Redcar programme along you'd get the wrap around bit for free. Obviously not ideal for yourself but I guess they did try to do something for the fans. It must be difficult to satisfy every eventually in these occasions. I'm sure the promotion will take your comment onboard though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 One last point : I was annoyed at paying full price for a programme that was two weeks old, had an insert and wasn't even a Workington one. That's just a rip off and promotions who complain about fans switching to race sheets from the internet should look at their own practices before mouthing off. This isn't completely fair as the 'new' part of the programme was an 8-page wrapround (not insert), and contained the full 2-page visitors details which any programme would have. So Workington fans got exactly the same amount on their team as in a normal issue. The Redcar reissue incorporated was the most recent information available, and the wrapround also included reports and pictures on the 2 away matches, Pairs and GP which have taken place since the Redcar rain-off. In total this made up 32 pages of the most up-to-date information available, only the race details v Redcar being irrelevant. So arguably better than a complete new 24 page issue. However you are entitled to your opinion and I accept that it is not ideal. Is there any current promotion which writes off the £400+ cost of a rain-off programme? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) However you are entitled to your opinion and I accept that it is not ideal. Is there any current promotion which writes off the £400+ cost of a rain-off programme? No but they should do instead of ripping fans off all the time.... Ie heat 10 result little or no refund compared to admission prices for re staging of abandoned meeting at heat 9.Or meetings with 12 riders, or several guests due to other commitments. Speedway fans get a raw deal across the country with most promotions pleading poverty or having scant regard for the paying public or their views.... The current promoters are killing this sport IMO. Edited July 19, 2014 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 No but they should do instead of ripping fans off all the time.... Ie heat 10 result little or no refund compared to admission prices for re staging of abandoned meeting at heat 9. Or meetings with 12 riders, or several guests due to other commitments. Speedway fans get a raw deal across the country with most promotions pleading poverty or having scant regard for the paying public or their views.... The current promoters are killing this sport IMO. How could anyone possibly justify writing off £400+, especially for an arguably better product? You might be a richer man than I if you can afford to pour that down the drain. I think had you been at Armadale last night, you would realise it's the opposite up here. Not many clubs would put on theme nights to try and make the evening a bit more special for fans. It is certainly never the case that the Promoters at Edinburgh would be looking to intentionally rip off any fans. In my opinion, which I'm entitled to, it's people like you which do the sport no favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) No but they should do instead of ripping fans off all the time Not for the first time, AF, you have said it for me. Its a case that a fan should not get the feeling that he is being ripped off and there is far too much of that with crap tracks, lousy food, sub-standard presentation, stinking toilets - the list is endless. This isn't completely fair as the 'new' part of the programme was an 8-page wrapround (not insert), and contained the full 2-page visitors details which any programme would have. So Workington fans got exactly the same amount on their team as in a normal issue. The Redcar reissue incorporated was the most recent information available, and the wrapround also included reports and pictures on the 2 away matches, Pairs and GP which have taken place since the Redcar rain-off. In total this made up 32 pages of the most up-to-date information available, only the race details v Redcar being irrelevant. So arguably better than a complete new 24 page issue. However you are entitled to your opinion and I accept that it is not ideal. Is there any current promotion which writes off the £400+ cost of a rain-off programme? I'd say the difference between a wrapround and an insert is one is inside the old programme, the other is outside. To be fair, its not just Edinburgh, they all do it and indeed the wrapround last night was better than most. AF is right, though. Its about not leaving the fan with the opinion that he is being cheated. Giving them a few pieces of paper with a programme way out (or even a fortnight out) of date at full price is a rip off. Why not say that the programme is an old one with an insert before people buy it? Then again, we both know why. I have been told that programmes cost twice as much to buy as to print and your costing above is pretty consistent with that. Why not just charge the cost price for the programme and insert - say £1.50 ? Then there's no loss to the promotion and the fan would realise that he was getting a discount because it was out of date. Edited July 19, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 I have been told that programmes cost twice as much to buy as to print and your costing above is pretty consistent with that. Why not just charge the cost price for the programme and insert - say £1.50 ? Then there's no loss to the promotion and the fan recognises he's getting it cheaper because it is out of date. Because programme sales every week are a chance for promoters to reduce the loss they will undoubtedly suffer on their overall weekly balance sheet. I'm not going to plod through again why I thought the programme plus wrapround was, relatively speaking, reasonable value. Every concession, price reduction, readmission, will increase the loss made. It's about getting the balance right. Of course no promoter wants the public to feel ripped off, that's not good business, but if promoters are rip-off merchants then they are highly unsuccessful and impoverished ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Of course no promoter wants the public to feel ripped off, that's not good business, but if promoters are rip-off merchants then they are highly unsuccessful and impoverished ones. they are all just bad business men then?? Out of interest, could you tell me how much admission I'd have to pay to a re staging if a meeting was abandoned after heat 9?? And also how much I'd be compensated if a meeting was abandoned after heat 10?? Not being pedantic, genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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