BluPanther Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Why did Hackney and Wimbledon close then? I don't know Humphrey, went to both venues many times in the 70's but was abroad alot when they closed, so i missed the ins and outs of that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 I think i read that lakeside's crowds are averaging around the 1200 mark. Which is very good considering it is an awful place to get to with very basic facilities. is 1,200 good? top half of elite league? i gues under the current climate, but "very good"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 British speedway and the way it is run could learn a lot from the leagues in Sweden and Denmark, but I'm not holding out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 is 1,200 good? top half of elite league? i gues under the current climate, but "very good"? It wasn`t good enough to sustain a team with PK in, with Nilsson being his replacement in a cost cutting change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 It wasn`t good enough to sustain a team with PK in, with Nilsson being his replacement in a cost cutting change. A story in the lates Spar saying how Lakeside has changed from 2007 to 2014 while doubling their average crowd. Also states that they are making a yearly profit. Also the pay rate in Sweden is between Uk and Poland, A LOT closer to UK I might add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 A story in the lates Spar saying how Lakeside has changed from 2007 to 2014 while doubling their average crowd. Also states that they are making a yearly profit. Also the pay rate in Sweden is between Uk and Poland, A LOT closer to UK I might add. it taken them 7 yrs to get from 600 to 1,200 fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 it taken them 7 yrs to get from 600 to 1,200 fans? How do other Elite tracks compare? British speedway and the way it is run could learn a lot from the leagues in Sweden and Denmark, but I'm not holding out. Denmark?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 British speedway and the way it is run could learn a lot from the leagues in Sweden and Denmark, but I'm not holding out. Maybe, but the economic and social conditions are different in Britain. Land is under much more development pressure in Britain, stadiums are mostly if not entirely multipurpose and privately owned, and local councils seem to be much less willing to support these sorts of facilities. This all leads to high rents before you've even considered anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 A story in the lates Spar saying how Lakeside has changed from 2007 to 2014 while doubling their average crowd. Also states that they are making a yearly profit. Also the pay rate in Sweden is between Uk and Poland, A LOT closer to UK I might add. These posts from the Lakeside thread seem to give a different view to the BSPA spin in the speedway star. spoke to neil vatcher at Cardiff on Saturday and he said he was gutted that they had to release pk but it was for financial reasons , don't know the ins and outs of his contract but maybe pk is on a guarantee of some sort and with him not scoring as he has in the past that could be the reason for him being released and possibly kim nillson i would think is a cheaper option . just hope that is not the last we see of pk in the uk would love to see him back at wolves Crowds have definitely been down this year, even this last month with decent weather, team and racing. Not sure why, have thoroughly enjoyed the season so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Maybe it's just ran better and promoters or clubs actually promote their products rather than taking the public for granted and treating them like muppets?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted July 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Jon cook was saying that the lakeside crowds have held up really well despite the world cup. They always seem to pick up when the weather gets milder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) 7-10 years ago the Adams-led Swindon were probably averaging around 1800-2000, now probably down to around 1400...1000 on a bad night and over 2000 on a good night. The top Swedish crowds are far higher than the EL, as the Eastie promoter was saying try to promote speedway in front of 700 at Eastbourne compared to over 3000 in Sweden and 15000 in Poland. Edited July 16, 2014 by keef van cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Jon cook was saying that the lakeside crowds have held up really well despite the world cup. They always seem to pick up when the weather gets milder. Weather is always a big factor. Two weeks ago Smederna had only 2000 in the attendances the weather had been grey with rain showers for several days. Yesterday the weather was pretty warm and sunny and the attendance was almost 4000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 These posts from the Lakeside thread seem to give a different view to the BSPA spin in the speedway star. BSPA spin in the Spar... It's a direct quote from Jon Cook. We all have the right not to believe it as a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 How do other Elite tracks compare? Denmark?? Denmark seem to be running a successful league system, the majority of riders are Danish, the attendance figures seem to be rising each year and clubs have purpose built stadiums, albeit basic, for the sole purpose of speedway, which allow them to run junior training sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Denmark seem to be running a successful league system, the majority of riders are Danish, the attendance figures seem to be rising each year and clubs have purpose built stadiums, albeit basic, for the sole purpose of speedway, which allow them to run junior training sessions. Yes - they do. Ask Erik Gundersen who offered to train British youngsters but was never taken up on it. No surprise there then. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Denmark seem to be running a successful league system, the majority of riders are Danish, the attendance figures seem to be rising each year and clubs have purpose built stadiums, albeit basic, for the sole purpose of speedway, which allow them to run junior training sessions. I actually dont rate their league that high, I just dont. And their tracks (not stadia) are just crap most if the time, potato field seems to be the norm from my experience from reading news and watching videos. What I do rate though, quite high actually, is the micro- and minispeedway system and structure. That also gives them the possibility to track a large amount of Danish riders in their league, as about a half a dozen new riders step up yearly and move to the 500cc scene. Thats why they are so strong in the U21's as well. With a huge base of riders in mini and micro also makes for a substantial mass of volunteers for clubs (as in not uk style promotions) to do "stuff", like organize meetings. I actually dont have any knowledge of how their training sessions work, do you? Maybe TWK?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ask Erik Gundersen who offered to train British youngsters but was never taken up on it. Of course we don't know what his terms were, or how much investment the BSPA were expected to put in. I think few would disagree there was a lot of short-sightedness with respect to rider development in the past, but Britain has had development competitions in place for some years now, and yet is still hardly over-whelmned with talent at the higher echelons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) In we Sweden we have these speedway school as well: http://www1.idrottonline.se/SmedernaSpeedwayforening-MotorcykelochSnoskoter/Ungdom/OKQ8Speedwayskola/ I think they are quite popular but the main problem is to get the riders to continue with speedway at a higher level. From the spedway school to 80cc and from 80cc to 500cc racing. Many quits because it becomes too expensive. I think this why DK is so successful. Hd The clubs & the federation are very supportive towards the riders, i.e. when it comes to finding sponsors and etc. Edited July 17, 2014 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Of course we don't know what his terms were, or how much investment the BSPA were expected to put in. I think few would disagree there was a lot of short-sightedness with respect to rider development in the past, but Britain has had development competitions in place for some years now, and yet is still hardly over-whelmned with talent at the higher echelons. He offered to do it for Expenses only if I remember correctly. It was a while ago now - he made the offer in an after Dinner Speech. Actually, one of the best Speeches I have ever heard, and I've sat through a few in my time. Never had any Notes either - he was most impressive and approachable. Nice chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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