King's Lynn Stars V Leicester Lions - Wed 16, July - #shavetheroo

[Leicester Lion]

All the Stars fans complaining about the passing at BP seem to have gone to ground. I expected to have my nose rubbed into the spectacular moves and thoroughly good racing last night. Oh well maybe next time!!!!!Disappointed.com

Being a major part of the race to the bottom is nothing to shout about.

[tellboy]

Rose was upset at being removed from heat 14 hence his absence from the centre for the last heat and the parade truck. Last seen having an animated discussion with Rob in the pits, hope it got nipped in the bud.

 

Let's hope Rose don't get to upset and buckles down and carry on with his progression.Because if Lynn wanted to be ruthless Simon Lambert must be up for grabs now Birmingham have finished for the season.

Hope things get sorted though as he has been good as our 2nd FTR this season.

[semion]

I really hope not. Rose is one for the future I cannot see the same thing for Lambert

[tellboy]

I really hope not. Rose is one for the future I cannot see the same thing for Lambert

I really hope not aswell.But we don't know what has been said or done time will tell.Hopefully things were just heat of the moment stuff and it will all be lovey dovey again soon.

[ashtree123]

Well GRW123 Did you go and speak to Robert after the meeting!!!!!!!!!

I did and he was so disappointed with his first 2 rides, he had bike problems and he changed to his second bike and in heat 8 he flew and won the race, then in heat 14 he was trying hard to pass klindt.

Why are you so anti him!!!!!!!! and don't come on here and say your not because in one hand you are bringing him down and then on the other you are giving him a little bit of praise!!!!!! at the beginning of the season he set a target of 4/5 points and he would be happy, and in my mind he is maintaining that plus more..... I think he is more than proving himself and if left alone he will continue to improve....he don't want people like you expecting more from the lad :-/

[castrolargh]

I really hope not aswell.But we don't know what has been said or done time will tell.Hopefully things were just heat of the moment stuff and it will all be lovey dovey again soon.

Apart from a couple of poor seasons recently , simon lambert has always ridden the NA well, in fact I think he averaged around 10 pts per meeting at home the season he partnered Tom in the pl, but his away form let him down and I believe still does, so to even consider replacing lewis rose with simon lambert would be very short sighted and rob aint daft.

If anything , maybe next season there should be a cap on the number of times an "away" ftr can guest at one particular track, eliminating to a certain extent , the use of a "track specialist" by all and sundry

[g13webb]

Well GRW123 Did you go and speak to Robert after the meeting!!!!!!!!!

I did and he was so disappointed with his first 2 rides, he had bike problems and he changed to his second bike and in heat 8 he flew and won the race, then in heat 14 he was trying hard to pass klindt.

Why are you so anti him!!!!!!!! and don't come on here and say your not because in one hand you are bringing him down and then on the other you are giving him a little bit of praise!!!!!! at the beginning of the season he set a target of 4/5 points and he would be happy, and in my mind he is maintaining that plus more..... I think he is more than proving himself and if left alone he will continue to improve....he don't want people like you expecting more from the lad :-/

 

Whow:: To me, an opinion is to say what you think. When someone does good, I'm the first to agree and give praise . Likewise when I see something I disagree with, I also say. Just because some people want blow sunshine up people ar-es all the time, and don't speak out in the times when don't so good, you then undermine the times when you give praise. So yes I do praise Robert up when he performs well, and yes I do voice an opinion when I think he could do better. That to me is not wrong....

I'm am not anti Robert, far from it. I'm one of his biggest supporters. but it doesn't blind me when he is subdued. I'd pay good money just to see him ride. At times he's unbelievable, some of his riding is sublime and his passing can be awesome. For a 16 yr old, he's a very special indeed.

 

But that's the problem. Having witness the special talents of Michael Lee and Darcy Ward when starting out, whether they were first or last you could see the special talent oozing out of them in every race. Where Robert is concerned, some races you can see it oozing out, and others its not. and that's disappointing. It's as if he's just going through the motions

 

You say he set a target of 4/5 pts at the start of the season. To me that's way too low. He is far better than that. Just beating this years FTR would give him a better average than that . Bearing in mind the new heat format giving him protection of riders who he races against, he is more than capable of 6/7 pts with ease, probably even closer to 8. Could it be he's not aiming high enough. I don't know, but rest assured if he was only getting 4/5's Rob would be worried sick going into the play-offs, that's for sure.......

 

[ Gordon Bennett] I have never blamed just Robert for the reason we dropped a point, that's all in your mind. What I said was when the team is up against it everyone has to stand up and be counted. and that includes a 16yr old. I'm sure if you asked Robert, he wouldn't be happy only scoring 6 pts.

 

I did blame all those things you mentioned for the reasons we dropped a point, But then again you only read what to want to.

[Bagpuss]

'Had he have just beaten Simon Lambert we'd have got all three points'.

 

Hmmmmm.

[g13webb]

'Had he have just beaten Simon Lambert we'd have got all three points'.

 

Hmmmmm.

 

Which was true. As was also the case of Posing Rory's or Kenneth E/F, any one of those issues could have made all the difference. Don't forget when Rose dropped it on the first bend, But Mad's puncture probably equalled that one out.

[ashtree123]

 

Whow:: To me, an opinion is to say what you think. When someone does good, I'm the first to agree and give praise . Likewise when I see something I disagree with, I also say. Just because some people want blow sunshine up people ar-es all the time, and don't speak out in the times when don't so good, you then undermine the times when you give praise. So yes I do praise Robert up when he performs well, and yes I do voice an opinion when I think he could do better. That to me is not wrong....

I'm am not anti Robert, far from it. I'm one of his biggest supporters. but it doesn't blind me when he is subdued. I'd pay good money just to see him ride. At times he's unbelievable, some of his riding is sublime and his passing can be awesome. For a 16 yr old, he's a very special indeed.

 

But that's the problem. Having witness the special talents of Michael Lee and Darcy Ward when starting out, whether they were first or last you could see the special talent oozing out of them in every race. Where Robert is concerned, some races you can see it oozing out, and others its not. and that's disappointing. It's as if he's just going through the motions

 

You say he set a target of 4/5 pts at the start of the season. To me that's way too low. He is far better than that. Just beating this years FTR would give him a better average than that . Bearing in mind the new heat format giving him protection of riders who he races against, he is more than capable of 6/7 pts with ease, probably even closer to 8. Could it be he's not aiming high enough. I don't know, but rest assured if he was only getting 4/5's Rob would be worried sick going into the play-offs, that's for sure.......

 

[ Gordon Bennett] I have never blamed just Robert for the reason we dropped a point, that's all in your mind. What I said was when the team is up against it everyone has to stand up and be counted. and that includes a 16yr old. I'm sure if you asked Robert, he wouldn't be happy only scoring 6 pts.

 

I did blame all those things you mentioned for the reasons we dropped a point, But then again you only read what to want to.

I am not saying its wrong everyone is entitled to there opinion......But if a rider under performs it must be because there is a problem somewhere, this is the case with Robert last night, I do not like to voice an opinion until I know/find out what went wrong.....this is the only problem I have because people are very quick to judge someone when they under perform without knowing the true facts first.....

[SCB]

You dropped 1 point, on a day where two riders suffered EFs while winning/paid winning. If you're going to have a crap day do it in July and not Sept/Oct. This Lynn team is still awesome.

 

The same Leicester team is putting the wind up Swindon tonight! 6 up after 7

Edited July 17, 2014 by SCB

[Star Lady]

 

Which was true. As was also the case of Posing Rory's or Kenneth E/F, any one of those issues could have made all the difference. Don't forget when Rose dropped it on the first bend, But Mad's puncture probably equalled that one out.

 

But you didn't say any of that did you. You put the blame (not that dropping one point is a crime) firmly at Lamberts door. He's 16 years old, learning his trade and doesn't need the whole expectation of winning and losing on his shoulders. Anything he scores over 3 points is a bonus and should be applauded as such. Too much pressure on young shoulders very often has a detrimental effect.

Be pleased for him when he does perform well and bear with him when he is less than your expectation.

Edited July 17, 2014 by Star Lady

[stevebrum]

I really hope not. Rose is one for the future I cannot see the same thing for Lambert

 

 

[Trees]

Simon?

[stevebrum]

Simon?

 

[Daniel Smith]

Just to fill you in Steve.

 

Lyon & Rose had a set to in the pits over him being taken out of heat 14 being replaced by Kerr.

Rose wasn't seen on the parade truck at the end of the meeting.

With Simon Lambert going so well peeps have put 2+2 together and are guessing he may be replacing Rose

[stevebrum]

Just to fill you in Steve.

 

Lyon & Rose had a set to in the pits over him being taken out of heat 14 being replaced by Kerr.

Rose wasn't seen on the parade truck at the end of the meeting.

With Simon Lambert going so well peeps have put 2+2 together and are guessing he may be replacing Rose

 

 

Thanks

[g13webb]

 

But you didn't say any of that did you. You put the blame (not that dropping one point is a crime) firmly at Lamberts door. He's 16 years old, learning his trade and doesn't need the whole expectation of winning and losing on his shoulders. Anything he scores over 3 points is a bonus and should be applauded as such. Too much pressure on young shoulders very often has a detrimental effect. Be pleased for him when he does perform well and bear with him when he is less than your expectation.

 

Again, I am not anti Robert, and did not hold him solely responsible for dropping a home point against Leicester. He is a member of the team and therefore he must take responsibility like everyone else. You say I didn't mention any of the other issues before, But going back (My Post No50) I actually agreed with the post from (Star Fever No 43) that sums everything up.

 

(Highlighted comment) ; Are you for real? probably related to him, maybe, That comment is ridiculous . When he competes in a man's world, A team environment he has to take that responsibility, the same as all the other members. There is no protection...... You can't carry anyone just because he is 16. He has to stand up and be counted. He learns as he get experience. If he's not ready, then he rides in a lower league. Of cause winning and losing has it's pressures, and like all other members, he must shoulder some of the blame. That's part and parcel . That bit about only scoring 3 pts. If he was only capable of scoring three points he wouldn't be in the side. He would be of little use to Lynn Stars or to himself.

 

The old saying about ' Cant stick the heat get out of the kitchen' applies here. You need to wake up. Robert is far better rider than you portray (3 pts), and doesn't want you protecting him from the real world. It's time them kid gloves come off..........

Edited July 18, 2014 by GRW123

[Star Lady]

 

Again, I am not anti Robert, and did not hold him solely responsible for dropping a home point against Leicester. He is a member of the team and therefore he must take responsibility like everyone else. You say I didn't mention any of the other issues before, But going back (My Post No50) I actually agreed with the post from (Star Fever No 43) that sums everything up.

 

Not in the one where you blamed Lambert. I have no idea if he or his family read the BSF, but if he does or is told that people are blaming him it can do his confidence and esteem no good whatsoever.

 

(Highlighted comment) ; Are you for real? probably related to him, maybe,

 

Yes I am for real. I'm not related to him and I've never met him or his family

 

That comment is ridiculous

.In your opinion, it seems a few others don't think so.

 

When he competes in a man's world, A team environment he has to take that responsibility, the same as all the other members.

 

Precisely my point OTHER MEMBERS have to share the responsibility but from the posting you made about Lambert you only mention him.

 

There is no protection...... You can't carry anyone just because he is 16. He has to stand up and be counted. He learns as he get experience. If he's not ready, then he rides in a lower league. Of cause winning and losing has it's pressures, and like all other members, he must shoulder some of the blame. That's part and parcel . That bit about only scoring 3 pts. If he was only capable of scoring three points he wouldn't be in the side. He would be of little use to Lynn Stars or to himself.

 

Bit in bold yes SOME not all. As for the 3 points, he came in on a 3 point average (regardless of what Buster, Rob or anyone else thought he might actually achieve) therefore anything he scores over and above that is a bonus.

 

 

The old saying about ' Cant stick the heat get out of the kitchen' applies here. You need to wake up. Robert is far better rider than you portray (3 pts), and doesn't want you protecting him from the real world. It's time them kid gloves come off..........

 

 

I don't need to wake up at all. I know he is a better rider than 3 points however I don't expect instant miracles, We didn't get them with Michael Lee or Tai Woffinden, they were allowed to develop at their own pace and look what they achieved. This season I see no reason to take off the kid gloves, youngsters (and he technically is still a child) need nurturing regardless of which environment they are in. Unless of course winning is the be all and end all which has never been what speedway is about in my eyes. Tho reading some of your posts I think we differ massively on that one.

 

Edited for spelling

 

Edited July 18, 2014 by Star Lady

[semion]

Getting it wrong GRW isnt a crime. We all make mistakes, it seems some find it hard to admit to them.