2015 Sgp & Swc Calendar

[DutchGrasstrack]

Berlin should be the place to be for a GP

[iris123]

Rostock should be the place,but sadly i don't think they have a stadium that could host speedway

[Ghostwalker]

Berlin should be the place to be for a GP

 

I read last summer that the Friedrich-Ludwig-Jahn-Sportpark in Berlin was a candidate for a GP but I don't know if it still is. It was only a tweet so not much info,

13 years ago this stadium hosted the first ever GP on a temporary track,

 

I posted some info about last year.

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=74213&&page=3&do=findComment&comment=2330383

https://twitter.com/Mediaspeed_net/status/368422757769699328

Edited August 28, 2014 by Ghostwalker

[Triple.H.]

 

I read last summer that the Friedrich-Ludwig-Jahn-Sportpark in Berlin was a candidate for a GP but I don't know if it still is. It was only a tweet so not much info,

13 years ago this stadium hosted the first ever GP on a temporary track,

 

I posted some info about last year.

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=74213&&page=3&do=findComment&comment=2330383

https://twitter.com/Mediaspeed_net/status/368422757769699328

Wetter than a dryish night in Vojens from memory

[customhouseregular]

If we are looking at the possibilty of Australia and USA does that mean an extended series or are some hosts to lose out?.Denmark are back to 1 GP next year but Sweden still have 2 and Poland 3. If we are to keep Latvia and Czech Republic and keep to 12 Rounds something has to give, particularly if Germany are coming back in. Holland has long had a fondness for Motor Cycle sport with the Dutch TT, Superbikes and Ice speedway etc.. I can see a Netherlands Speedway Gp attracting a huge crowd from all across Europe.

Personally I would like to see the series extended to 16 rounds with each country limited to 1 GP, and the series extended to Australia and USA, Germany re-introduced and the inclusion of Russia. Australia should start the series before New Zealand complete the "down-under" stage and the series should end with the USA GP.

 

All this in my humble opinion of course and probably hugely impractical.

[New Science]

THINK you are right re tickets selling quickly. Yes, there will be only one SGP in Denmark next year.

Think we saw from last nights GP attendance that having 1 GP in Denmark next year in front of only 12,500 is underselling what is a major market in Denmark !

[customhouseregular]

Hard to disagree with that from a potential audience point of view, but with some countries having 2 or 3 rounds it holds back the development of the GP series.Auckland has proved there is a potential for new venues to be successful but unless the series is expanded from it's current 12 rounds, this can't happen unless each country is limited to one GP. Refer to my post of 1st. september to know my thoughts on this.

[tomazpozrl]

Local paper reports that Krsko wants to organize GP again. AMD Krsko board has decided to go for it, according to: http://www.dolenjskilist.si/2014/09/12/120743/sport/avto_moto/AMD_Krsko_v_ponovno_kandidaturo_za_VN_Slovenije/

[New Science]

Hard to disagree with that from a potential audience point of view, but with some countries having 2 or 3 rounds it holds back the development of the GP series.Auckland has proved there is a potential for new venues to be successful but unless the series is expanded from it's current 12 rounds, this can't happen unless each country is limited to one GP. Refer to my post of 1st. september to know my thoughts on this.

Financially Auckland has been a disaster and as for developing new venues,Tampere, track was awful and Riga less said about that the better !

[PHILIPRISING]

WORK about to start on Tampere track for 2015 ... shorter straights, wider corners. Lessons learned they say ...

[Humphrey Appleby]

WORK about to start on Tampere track for 2015 ... shorter straights, wider corners. Lessons learned they say ...

 

One would have thought the series organisers would have sufficient expertise to advise new circuits on the best layout. Ole Olsen has never been one to hold back on how he thinks tracks should be prepared (and didn't he even suggest chicanes in the corners at one point?), and surely Tony Olsson knows/knew something about tracks?

Hard to disagree with that from a potential audience point of view, but with some countries having 2 or 3 rounds it holds back the development of the GP series.Auckland has proved there is a potential for new venues to be successful but unless the series is expanded from it's current 12 rounds, this can't happen unless each country is limited to one GP.

 

Almost entirely down to who coughs up the readies, or where BSI can hire a track cheaply enough to run one to fulfil their contractual obligations. There are umpteen GPs in Poland because their municipalities were until recently, daft enough to pay ridiculous money for the privilege, and no doubt this also explains some of the more esoteric GPs in non-major speedway countries.

 

I don't think it can be said that Auckland was really a success. The promoter openly admitted to losing a lot of money, and attendances weren't really that good despite official claims.

 

Would think expansion is down to finding sufficient mug.. erm.. promoters willing to host, and the fact that SGP is starting to encroach on the Polish Leagues where riders earn most of their money.

[customhouseregular]

Does that mean we will not be seeing Auckland next year or has their contract time to run still?. What of other potential venues for 2015?.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Holland has long had a fondness for Motor Cycle sport with the Dutch TT, Superbikes and Ice speedway etc.. I can see a Netherlands Speedway Gp attracting a huge crowd from all across Europe.

 

Doubt it. Whilst grass track is reasonably popular in the North-Eastern Netherlands, speedway doesn't really have much presence these days. Road racing has a largely different set of fans.

 

The Amsterdam World Final wasn't a great success either, despite being held in a decent enough stadium, and that was more than 25 years ago. The Danish speedway scene is one of the bigger ones in the world, and if their fans won't travel a couple of hours to Copenhagen (without even mentioning the Swedish fans who're close enough too), then I can't see the few Dutch fans are going to bother, far less the Germans or Poles.

[PHILIPRISING]

 

Doubt it. Whilst grass track is reasonably popular in the North-Eastern Netherlands, speedway doesn't really have much presence these days. Road racing has a largely different set of fans.

 

The Amsterdam World Final wasn't a great success either, despite being held in a decent enough stadium, and that was more than 25 years ago. The Danish speedway scene is one of the bigger ones in the world, and if their fans won't travel a couple of hours to Copenhagen (without even mentioning the Swedish fans who're close enough too), then I can't see the few Dutch fans are going to bother, far less the Germans or Poles.

DON'T forget that the Amsterdam World Final was a two-day affair ... not one of Jos Vaessen's better ideas!

Does that mean we will not be seeing Auckland next year or has their contract time to run still?. What of other potential venues for 2015?.

NO GP in Auckland next year although promoter Bill Buckley hasn't locked the door for the future and a different venue to Western Springs is being considered further down the line.

 

My guess is that four venues which weren't on the calendar this year will be in 2015.

[customhouseregular]

Hmmm. I don't profess to have all the answers sadly...just throwing in ideas for discussion. For a supposedly World sport to rely heavily on Poland and Denmark surely diminishes the image. How many paying customers are needed to make a GP viable when one adds in the tv coverage and associated revenue. i was under the impression Auckland attracted around 20,000 this year...surely enough to make it viable.I may be a little naive here (given the current world situation) but would not Russia pay well for a major sporting event televised all over Europe?.

 

Doubt it. Whilst grass track is reasonably popular in the North-Eastern Netherlands, speedway doesn't really have much presence these days. Road racing has a largely different set of fans.

 

The Amsterdam World Final wasn't a great success either, despite being held in a decent enough stadium, and that was more than 25 years ago. The Danish speedway scene is one of the bigger ones in the world, and if their fans won't travel a couple of hours to Copenhagen (without even mentioning the Swedish fans who're close enough too), then I can't see the few Dutch fans are going to bother, far less the Germans or Poles.

Just thinking out loud given the Dutch love of anything on two wheels and their love of speed events.

[PHILIPRISING]

WELL, there wasn't 20,000 in Auckland and having a GP on the other side of the world incurs huge additional expense including five return air tickets for each rider, hotel accommodation (three rooms per rider) for five nights, freight for two bikes plus a vast range of additional equipment.

 

There is no appetite for TV coverage in Russia and no real commercial gain for BSI going there. And right now, with sanctions being imposed on Russia, any chance of a change of heart has gone out of the window.

[customhouseregular]

On that basis Philip can we expect Auckland to drop out, Australia and USA not to come in and apart from a little tinkering, the status quo to remain?. I do understand all the difficulties, truly and I appreciate speedway is not a rich sport, but stagnation is the death of any business. Out of interest, what was the official attendance for Auckland or for any GP's outside Poland and Denmark?. How much do Eurosport pay to televise?. Leaving Auckland aside how much do organisers need to make staging a GP profitable?. I can't imagine the gate receipts at Terenzano, Gorican etc. would have covered the cost of staging. On the question of Russian tv coverage, the Eurosport coverage of SEC from Togliatti was excellent.

[mickthemuppet]

What the TV companies pay for live Speedway in this country is a pittance With the repeats of Speedway that Eurosport show it probably does not work out much more than £100 a programme.

Speedway would be much better off without live speedway on television. Since Speedway has been shown live in this country the gates have gone down at all stadiums

Edited September 15, 2014 by mickthemuppet

[PHILIPRISING]

I WASN'T criticising Eurosport's coverage from Togliatti ... simply pointing that Russian TV stations have no interest in speedway.

 

Three of the 2015 venues (when confirmed) haven't staged speedway before... one has.

What the TV companies pay for live Speedway in this country is a pittance With the repeats of Speedway that Eurosport show it probably does not work out much more than £100 a programme.

Speedway would be much better off without live speedway

ARE you referring to Eurosport or Sky? However, you are pretty inaccurate on both counts.

I WASN'T criticising Eurosport's coverage from Togliatti ... simply pointing that Russian TV stations have no interest in speedway.

 

Three of the 2015 venues (when confirmed) haven't staged speedway before... one has.

ARE you referring to Eurosport or Sky? However, you are pretty inaccurate on both counts.

Incidentally, the SGP highlights show being screened on Quest is attracting audiences in excess of 100,000. That may not seem a lot but in relative terms it is.

[customhouseregular]

I WASN'T criticising Eurosport's coverage from Togliatti ... simply pointing that Russian TV stations have no interest in speedway.

 

Three of the 2015 venues (when confirmed) haven't staged speedway before... one has.

ARE you referring to Eurosport or Sky? However, you are pretty inaccurate on both counts.

Would Russian tv alter their mind-set if Sayfutdinov became European or World champion, or is it a question of Ice Speedway 2st., 2nd. and last?. I presume the 3 new venues refer to new tracks rather than new countries...interested to know more.

Would Russian tv alter their mind-set if Sayfutdinov became European or World champion, or is it a question of Ice Speedway 2st., 2nd. and last?. I presume the 3 new venues refer to new tracks rather than new countries...interested to know more.

Sorry about the mistake!.