Paulco Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 At Glasgow today , Edinburgh equalled the unbeaten record of the wonderful Arena Essex side of 1991 . I know times have changed and i admire the brilliant start the Monarchs have had , but are Cook , Masters and co really the equal of Brian Karger , Bo Petersen and that fantastic side of 1991 , which Glasgow took to a replay in the KO Cup final of that year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoobie Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I don't think Craig Cook is as good as Craig Cook thinks he is, his elite league form in the new format is hardly impressive, also wonder how is premier league average would be if refs started pulling him up on his constant rollers at the start? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I don't think Craig Cook is as good as Craig Cook thinks he is, his elite league form in the new format is hardly impressive, also wonder how is premier league average would be if refs started pulling him up on his constant rollers at the start? He got pulled up today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Paul, I've reserve my judgement until the season is over, Edinburgh have yet to win a single trophy after all. I think the strongest team I've ever seen at second tier level were the 1982 Newcastle Diamonds. Six heat leaders, while Joe Owen was probably better than Craig Cook. All the best Rob Edited July 6, 2014 by lucifer sam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I don't think Craig Cook is as good as Craig Cook thinks he is, his elite league form in the new format is hardly impressive, also wonder how is premier league average would be if refs started pulling him up on his constant rollers at the start? That old chestnut! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 That old chestnut! We know Cook chances his arm at the starts , we've all seen it . But that's not to say he isn't a decent rider . The question is though , how does this Edinburgh record equalling side stack up against that wonderful Hammers side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Paul, I've reserve my judgement until the season is over, Edinburgh have yet to win a single trophy after all. I think the strongest team I've ever seen at second tier level were the 1982 Newcastle Diamonds. Six heat leaders, while Joe Owen was probably better than Craig Cook. All the best Rob Probably??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 We know Cook chances his arm at the starts , we've all seen it . But that's not to say he isn't a decent rider . The question is though , how does this Edinburgh record equalling side stack up against that wonderful Hammers side Agreed he tries to anticipate the starts at time it just gets frustrating that people make out that he rolls every time he is out on track when he doesn't. In general he is usually very good out of the gate but people seem to think otherwise. Rant over back onto the actual topic. Our 2014 side of course purely down to the fact that it's us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Another thing to point out is that the Newcastle '82 team completed the clean sweep... league, cup, Supernational and fours. And Joe Owen won the NLRC as a bonus. In 1991, Arena Essex missed out on a trophy... the Gold Cup. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Keep debating guys, because it is well nigh impossible to compare different generations of teams in any sport. Suffice to say this is a great team to support and follow this year. We will get beat somewhere (one of the big tracks most likely, Somerset, EOES, or even Worky if the find an ambulance). but until then be afraid PL fans because we might be coming to do you next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) We will get beat somewhere (one of the big tracks most likely, Somerset, EOES, or even Worky if the find an ambulance). but until then be afraid PL fans because we might be coming to do you next. All credit to the Monarchs for staying unbeaten this long but I've reckoned for a while (without it being mentioned much elsewhere) that the controversial postponement at Peterborough in early-May did this remarkable run a big favour at the time ... and the re-staging on Sun-20-July will almost certainly be the toughest threat to it judging by Peterborough's recent results. And while I fully understand the reason for Paulco starting this thread to compare 2014-Edinburgh with 1991-Arena Essex, I think I might take the astonishingly strong-in-depth 2004-Hull lineup against either of them !! ... towards the end of that season (admittedly with bonus points included at that time), all those Vikings were listed with 6-point averages or better !! Edited July 6, 2014 by arthur cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think this Edinburgh side would comfortably beat either of those sides (Newcastle 1982, or Arena Essex 1991) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think this Edinburgh side would comfortably beat either of those sides (Newcastle 1982, or Arena Essex 1991) Not a chance. The Newcastle team was effectively 6 heat leaders plus one other. Best at that level IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 As i was there throughout back in 1991 aged just 18 i have many fond memories of that season and that team was pretty awesome, imo yes it was better than the Edinburgh team this season, Karger and Petersen in particular both subsequently raced back in a higher division with the club and were heat leader performers in what was then a much harder first division. Backed by Galvin, Moggo, Pratt, Hurry and White it was a very formidable side in the end but it was not the same 1-7 from start to finish. I am also aware of the legend that is the Newcastle team of 1982 but i don't know enough to make a judgment call on that side in comparison to Arena 1991. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Not a chance. The Newcastle team was effectively 6 heat leaders plus one other. Best at that level IMO.I don't even think it would be close.I think this years Edinburgh side would win convincingly, in fact I know they would 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Seen both teams, Newcastle everytime imo.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Look at the debate logically, there would only be one winner. Edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 He got pulled up today To be honest Paul, Davey and I thought the one he was pulled up for was the only one he DIDNT actually roll! Some of the pictures of the starts showed it quite clearly but that one just looked like a genuine cracking start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 They wouldn't even beat the Rockets 2005 PL winning side 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Edinburgh the statistically weaker of the 3 simply as the points limit was higher in those days. Plus Arena's team was changed by the arrival of Karger midseason. Head to head Edinburgh would probably win though due to modern equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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