tellboy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 If Lambert is in for Ellis does this mean that Rose is fit to return ? Rose returns and Watt is also down to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 With PK missing i get the impression Hammers promotion rather than individual riders are looking at this as a dead rubber match and thus are not worried about losing Ellis for the night or using it to give Davey some competitive practice where any lack of points wont make a difference to the overall score. Think Richard, Lewis and Mikkel will give it their best shot but can only see Lynn winning out by something like 60-32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I have my programme handy this time - Jon said in Friday's notes that it was at Adam's request as he is concerned about his PL form, and apparently both him and Ben have always had the option to choose home meetings for their other clubs in the event of a clash as he feels it's important to put their learning and investment in the sport first. So the rule about riding for the club they're an asset of coming first is rubbish then if this is true??. Â You really can't believe it if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 So the rule about riding for the club they're an asset of coming first is rubbish then if this is true??. Â You really can't believe it if that's the case. Â Â Agree, its bizarre. As usual riders call the shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 So the rule about riding for the club they're an asset of coming first is rubbish then if this is true??. Â You really can't believe it if that's the case. Â Â Â Â Agree, its bizarre. As usual riders call the shots. Â And yet again fans are treated with contempt and fed incorrect information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014    And yet again fans are treated with contempt and fed incorrect information   To be honest its Ellis who is calling the shots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Agree, its bizarre. As usual riders call the shots. It's the only occasion that I can think of that Adam has ridden for Ipswich instead of Lakeside (although I could be mistaken) and if decisions like this mean we reach the end of the season with Adam riding as confidently as possible on decent equipment, then I'm happy. I'm sure that Jon Cook wouldn't be letting him miss the meeting if he didn't feel it was beneficial for the rider - and in turn, the club. If he wanted to, I'm sure Jon could insist on Adam riding for us instead; I certainly don't consider Lakeside to be a club that would let the riders "call the shots" completely. Edited July 8, 2014 by Mjolnir 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 It's the only occasion that I can think of that Adam has ridden for Ipswich instead of Lakeside (although I could be mistaken) and if decisions like this mean we reach the end of the season with Adam riding as confidently as possible on decent equipment, then I'm happy. I'm sure that Jon Cook wouldn't be letting him miss the meeting if he didn't feel it was beneficial for the rider - and in turn, the club. If he wanted to, I'm sure Jon could insist on Adam riding for us instead; I certainly don't consider Lakeside to be a club that would let the riders "call the shots" completely. Â Â It wasn't a criticism of Ellis or Lakeside, but if Cook is happy that the reason is solid then i cant really see a problem actually. Lets face it Ellis`s decision is better in the long term for rider and club. Be an interesting position if Cook disagreed, but he doesn't strike me as a Manager who would have taken offence by it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) It wasn't a criticism of Ellis or Lakeside, but if Cook is happy that the reason is solid then i cant really see a problem actually. Lets face it Ellis`s decision is better in the long term for rider and club. Be an interesting position if Cook disagreed, but he doesn't strike me as a Manager who would have taken offence by it. I might be a bit biased, but I'd say I agree. I've always considered him to be pretty honest about his opinions on things, so if he was unhappy about it I would have expected to read that in the programme. I think we're unlikely to get anything from this, especially without PK (no idea how that's ended up happening) but hopefully the Hammers that are there can put in some good performances and provide good entertainment for the Stars and travelling Hammers fans. You never know, we could end up there again in the playoffs! Edited July 8, 2014 by Mjolnir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Â Â Â And yet again fans are treated with contempt and fed incorrect information How many Years have you been watching Speedway ? You sound surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 So the rule about riding for the club they're an asset of coming first is rubbish then if this is true??. Â You really can't believe it if that's the case. All done with the agreement and understanding of the Club Management. Very similar to Swindon letting Bates ride for Sheffield!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 How many Years have you been watching Speedway ? You sound surprised. Â Nothing about speedway surprises me and hasn't for decades I was just commenting that something fans seem to have been led to believe, i.e riders ride for the club they are an asset of is obviously not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 There you go again, Believing what people tell you in Speedway. Just because they say it, it doesnt always make it the truth. I somehow cannot see Buster saying to Kerr/Rose off you pop to Newcastle, we dont need you this week. Is it also not open to abuse, with Teams being able to bring in a carefully selected guest ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) I think the reality of the situation has been twisted slightly ... both the reasons for the decision and how regular an issue it is. Â Either that or I just seem to be looking at this a bit differently! Edited July 8, 2014 by Mjolnir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Presumably the parent club have priority rather than the rider having to ride for them. All parties are in agreement including the governing body so in this instance I really don't see the issue, it's being done with the interests of a young British rider being the main consideration. As semmers says though, it could be open to abuse in the future and that's where the management committee need to be firm and unbiased. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Presumably the parent club have priority rather than the rider having to ride for them. All parties are in agreement including the governing body so in this instance I really don't see the issue, it's being done with the interests of a young British rider being the main consideration. As semmers says though, it could be open to abuse in the future and that's where the management committee need to be firm and unbiased. Spot on post. As we all know, there are many rules that unfortunately can be abused given the right circumstances - although I think this one is unlikely to be, at least not often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Presumably the parent club have priority rather than the rider having to ride for them. All parties are in agreement including the governing body so in this instance I really don't see the issue, it's being done with the interests of a young British rider being the main consideration. As semmers says though, it could be open to abuse in the future and that's where the management committee need to be firm and unbiased. I spoke to Adam on Friday. It's his decision to ride at Ipswich. He likes the Kings Lynn track but feels he has to get hijs PL confidence.. Davy Watt spent a lot of time with him on Friday talking about different racing lines and I believe Chris Louis is working with hiim at Ipswich. Â Adam is a definite talent but he is a young lad and still relatively inexperienced so there are bound to be these ups and downs, but Jon Cook is doing the right thing IMO letting him choose his own course for the moment. Frustrating in the short term but hopefully will be beneficial in the long run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Got to fancy Lynn to win this quite comfortably. Lakeside are poor travellers at the best of times, but i reckon their home form will see them in the play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Got to fancy Lynn to win this quite comfortably. Lakeside are poor travellers at the best of times, but i reckon their home form will see them in the play offs  Yeah that's half the trouble, so long as they are strong at home they can afford to throw meetings like this under the bus, however sooner or later they will have to face Lynn head on, no point making the play offs if your not there to win them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Yeah that's half the trouble, so long as they are strong at home they can afford to throw meetings like this under the bus, however sooner or later they will have to face Lynn head on, no point making the play offs if your not there to win them. We've travelled better this season but I agree that home advantage is always a big part of our push for the playoffs. I think any team will struggle against Kings Lynn at the moment though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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