semion Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 If there are 2 less teams at the start of next season then they could have the play-offs with all 8 teams in it. Run the whole season (28 league meetings per team) then the team that ends up 1st plays-off v the 8th placed team... 2nd v 7th etc. Then in the Semi's the winners of 1v8 meets the winners of 4v5 etc... Who could see the Clowns in Speedway actually going for that, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 If there are 2 less teams at the start of next season then they could have the play-offs with all 8 teams in it. Run the whole season (28 league meetings per team) then the team that ends up 1st plays-off v the 8th placed team... 2nd v 7th etc. Then in the Semi's the winners of 1v8 meets the winners of 4v5 etc... Who could see the Clowns in Speedway actually going for that, You could call it something unique like The Knockout Cup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 If there are 2 less teams at the start of next season then they could have the play-offs with all 8 teams in it. Run the whole season (28 league meetings per team) then the team that ends up 1st plays-off v the 8th placed team... 2nd v 7th etc. Then in the Semi's the winners of 1v8 meets the winners of 4v5 etc... Who could see the Clowns in Speedway actually going for that, Why bother to run the league at all, Let the clubs pull a number out of the hat and just have quarters, semi's and final. Seven matches, and all of them important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Until somebody from Poole says something you don't like and it settings back again? Dear me. How about ignoring what people say and basing any allegiance on the riders and club itself. While I appreciate how poor he was last night some of the booing and dogs abuse he got from some Eagles 'fans' near us was disgusting. I wonder if any of them went into the pits after the meeting to repeat it to his face? I completely agree. Booing one of your own riders is a disgrace. I am sure Joonas does not fly over from Europe with the intention of scoring little or no points. Believe it or not, Joonas is my favorite Eastie rider and I would much rather see hime turn his form around than go but I have been thinking that for too long now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldeneagle Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) I completely agree. Booing one of your own riders is a disgrace. I am sure Joonas does not fly over from Europe with the intention of scoring little or no points. Believe it or not, Joonas is my favorite Eastie rider and I would much rather see hime turn his form around than go but I have been thinking that for too long now! Stevec you have to admit Joonas was pitiful against the Stars he made little or no competitive effort trailing in last and by a country mile at that in all but one of his heats. The only point he score was the result of Iversen falling.His season so far has been poor to say the least. To be honest we would have been better keeping Dryml than signing Kylmakorpi particularly as we are only a home track team. Edited July 8, 2014 by goldeneagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 But why goldeneagle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Stevec you have to admit Joonas was pitiful against the Stars he made little or no competitive effort trailing in last and by a country mile at that in all but one of his heats. The only point he score was the result of Iversen falling.His season so far has been poor to say the least. To be honest we would have been better keeping Dryml than signing Kylmakorpi particularly as we are only a home track team. He retired at the start of the season so wasn't even in the thinking i would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Box Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Do you honestly think people support the play-offs because of the name? It would make no difference what it was called, if the were a home and away match with an aggregate score, people would come. It could be named anything at all. The ORION KC Cup has a nice ring to it I'm not against the play-offs at the end of the season, just feel it wrong that you ask clubs and fans to support a 36 match league program, then demean any achievement by giving the title to a team that has won a pokcy 4 team KO at the end of the season. And you wonder why speedway has lost so much support...... 2 more teams are going this year.... There's not many left........ Yet rugby union with an almost identical play-off system has best ever attendance levels and the play-off final setting a world record for a domestic league match. None of my former speedway attending acquaintances mention the play-off system as the reason why they don't attend any more, so struggling to see your point here. Poor standard facilities, too expensive once kids are older to attend as a family, frustration at rain offs are reasons given to me. Clearly you don't like the system but it keeps the season alive for virtually all teams in the table, almost to the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Yet rugby union with an almost identical play-off system has best ever attendance levels and the play-off final setting a world record for a domestic league match. None of my former speedway attending acquaintances mention the play-off system as the reason why they don't attend any more, so struggling to see your point here. Poor standard facilities, too expensive once kids are older to attend as a family, frustration at rain offs are reasons given to me. Clearly you don't like the system but it keeps the season alive for virtually all teams in the table, almost to the end of the season. That is definitely not the case, because with no KOC some teams finish their home matches in August / early September... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Yet rugby union with an almost identical play-off system has best ever attendance levels and the play-off final setting a world record for a domestic league match. None of my former speedway attending acquaintances mention the play-off system as the reason why they don't attend any more, so struggling to see your point here. Poor standard facilities, too expensive once kids are older to attend as a family, frustration at rain offs are reasons given to me. Clearly you don't like the system but it keeps the season alive for virtually all teams in the table, almost to the end of the season. The point is not the existence of the play-offs - its the total lack of reward and prestige the league (table) winning team gets! That is the main objection. Edited July 8, 2014 by Star Fever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Box Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 That is definitely not the case, because with no KOC some teams finish their home matches in August / early September... I would say 8 out of 10 teams still have a decent shout of getting in the play-offs. A couple may or may not drop away but the fact remains that the season is still alive for more than half the teams to almost the end of their regular fixtures in early September. Without the play-offs 1 out of 10 have a realistic chance of winning the league. This is why play-off systems were introduced, to keep the season alive for more than 1 or 2 teams at the top, so supporters have something to get excited about when 6th plays 8th for example at the end of August. 4 qualifying out of 10 is about right as it means the league fixtures do matter in making or not making the play-offs. The suggestion of all teams qualifying at the end of the season in 1st v 8th etc is not eliminating enough teams. ko cup is long dead. Suggesting that the play-offs should become the ko cup is worth looking at. My own opinion is this wouldn't work and Sky wouldn't go for it as it doesn't provide the excitement of the ultimate prize being won as the climax to the season. By the way I am just pointing out the benefits of the play-offs. Of course the team that wins the league should be champions, not the team that finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4th. In rugby the game has never been more popular than under this system. Fairness or dramatic ends to seasons - with Sky involved we know the answer and it works for rugby as a sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I would say 8 out of 10 teams still have a decent shout of getting in the play-offs. A couple may or may not drop away but the fact remains that the season is still alive for more than half the teams to almost the end of their regular fixtures in early September. Without the play-offs 1 out of 10 have a realistic chance of winning the league. This is why play-off systems were introduced, to keep the season alive for more than 1 or 2 teams at the top, so supporters have something to get excited about when 6th plays 8th for example at the end of August. 4 qualifying out of 10 is about right as it means the league fixtures do matter in making or not making the play-offs. The suggestion of all teams qualifying at the end of the season in 1st v 8th etc is not eliminating enough teams. ko cup is long dead. Suggesting that the play-offs should become the ko cup is worth looking at. My own opinion is this wouldn't work and Sky wouldn't go for it as it doesn't provide the excitement of the ultimate prize being won as the climax to the season. By the way I am just pointing out the benefits of the play-offs. Of course the team that wins the league should be champions, not the team that finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4th. In rugby the game has never been more popular than under this system. Fairness or dramatic ends to seasons - with Sky involved we know the answer and it works for rugby as a sport. Can't see more than maybe 5 or 6 teams still with a chance TBH. B'Ham & Leicester are out of it / Eastbourne look like they'll never win away - same with BVue but at least they've got a few away points & Wolves are now losing points at home. I'd say its between Swindon and Poole to join Coventry & Lakeside with Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 He retired at the start of the season so wasn't even in the thinking i would imagine. I would think the eagles contacted him and told him they wasnt going to use him before he retired. I know he loved riding for the eagles so as we didnt want to use him I guess he saw best to retire. Could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I would say 8 out of 10 teams still have a decent shout of getting in the play-offs. A couple may or may not drop away but the fact remains that the season is still alive for more than half the teams to almost the end of their regular fixtures in early September. Without the play-offs 1 out of 10 have a realistic chance of winning the league. This is why play-off systems were introduced, to keep the season alive for more than 1 or 2 teams at the top, so supporters have something to get excited about when 6th plays 8th for example at the end of August. 4 qualifying out of 10 is about right as it means the league fixtures do matter in making or not making the play-offs. The suggestion of all teams qualifying at the end of the season in 1st v 8th etc is not eliminating enough teams. ko cup is long dead. Suggesting that the play-offs should become the ko cup is worth looking at. My own opinion is this wouldn't work and Sky wouldn't go for it as it doesn't provide the excitement of the ultimate prize being won as the climax to the season. By the way I am just pointing out the benefits of the play-offs. Of course the team that wins the league should be champions, not the team that finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4th. In rugby the game has never been more popular than under this system. Fairness or dramatic ends to seasons - with Sky involved we know the answer and it works for rugby as a sport. In all due respect, comparing Rugby with Speedway in like comparing Moto GP and Football. Two well supported sports that are run totally different. I except your opinion, but question your logic. The backbone of any sport in the bread and butter basis of league racing. Take that away and their is nothing left. The way you rave on about the Play-offs as the most important matches of the year, but in doing that, you rubbish the integrity of the league principals. The whole principal of the 36 match league program system, is destroyed for the benefit of an additional 4 team KO tournament only lasting 3 weeks. . You expect the fans to turn out and support the league fixtures , and then say its not really a league, it just a qualification to a end of season fiasco. Do you honestly believe, a team, who languished in the lower regions of the league for the majority season before finishing fourth, deserved the chance to win league . cos to me the rightful Champions last year was Birmingham. ( No way am I getting at Poole, they suffered similarly when Coventry won.) How many times has the league winners actually won the play-offs. That tells you how wrong this system is. I believe I was brought up the right way, with correct virtues. Knowing right from wrong, Trying to be the best, and respect those who are. Don't rubbish achievement you couldn't achieve. and always trying to better yourself. If you can only win by doing it wrong then you've lost. These are some of the principals that were bestowed on me from an early age, and I've have always used throughout my life. Winning is important, but not at any cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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