ruckerroo Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 this isnt an isolated incident with joonas, a few seasons back he had a run of a good 6 weeks looking completely disinterested,ive no problem about riders being out of form but for me he doesnt look remotely interested, wont ride the outside line under any circumstances and for a team built solidly with no out and out star hes badly badly letting himself and the side down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 this isnt an isolated incident with joonas, a few seasons back he had a run of a good 6 weeks looking completely disinterested,ive no problem about riders being out of form but for me he doesnt look remotely interested, wont ride the outside line under any circumstances and for a team built solidly with no out and out star hes badly badly letting himself and the side downWon't ride the outside line lol lol If the track is like last night every week there is no outside line!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukasdrymllukas Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Wow, where on earth does that spiteful attitude come from? I bet you were the mouthy beggar on the home straight who was celebrating victory with no grace at all and giving Rory grief after/during heat 15.Poor show. It's grand libel to accuse anyone of being that 'orrible ' on the home straight !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) I don't get it Star Lady. You shack all the way down to Sussex, hand over £17 to watch Speedway on a trick track. Yet, you can't go 2 miles up the road hand over a mere £16 to watch the same thing on one of the best tracks in the Country. It must be a female thing lolSimple really. I had a choice go to Eastie or stay in the caravan on my own all evening,you know which I chose lol. The racing IMHO was more entertaining than Lynn simply because the track is smaller and the riders are not strung out. Sadly it was nowhere near as good as days gone by when you knew for days ahead that 1/2/3 of Dugard/Norris/Barker would get up to their tricks. The present Eastie team are a very drab lot by comparison. Tho I did have a go at running Martin Dugard over but he still knows how to swerve lol I don't know if I count as a Lynn fan anymore, I'm certainly not a regular, but as I said to Trees last night the track was the same for all 14 riders, if they didn't realise the shale was deep on the outside after the track walk or their first race they need to open their eyes. Some folk don't like how Buster prepares a track, some don't like how Bob does it. The Kerr decision apart, cos that was a curious one, Lynn had no excuses at all Edited July 6, 2014 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josietoms Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 this isnt an isolated incident with joonas, a few seasons back he had a run of a good 6 weeks looking completely disinterested,ive no problem about riders being out of form but for me he doesnt look remotely interested, wont ride the outside line under any circumstances and for a team built solidly with no out and out star hes badly badly letting himself and the side down U forgot to mention that jk told us last season that he had no intention to ride in the British league that year. Then in our hour of need halfway through the season he signed for Peterborough. There's one reason he came back this year and that was for his testimonial. I now feel robbed of my cash to line his pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 .....as I said to Trees last night the track was the same for all 14 riders, if they didn't realise the shale was deep on the outside after the track walk or their first race they need to open their eyes. Â I'm sure they all realised, that wasn't the issue but to me leaving all the dirt very wide on what is already a very narrow track is asking for trouble. Riders are going to go chasing it as they have to in order to try and pass. No doubt it is prepared that way for home advantage rather than for entertainment and that is the crux of the matter, of course it is always the same for both sides but to me that misses the point. Tracks should always be prepared to provide good racing (I appreciate Buster has been guilty of not doing this in the past ie PL days) and as safe an environment for riders as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I agree safety has to be a priority but from where I stood last night only Kerr possibly got caught out by the dirt on the outside. I appreciate from where you stood you had a far better view of bends 1 and 2. What I found more concerning tho was the very sparse crowd and the fact nothing appears to be done to improve it. I spent the day yesterday in Eastbourne and didn't see a single piece of advertising. From when the turnstiles opened, a few interviews apart, all ther was apart from 15 one second bursts was piped music and not very modern at that, on a poor P/a. For £17, or £15 for at least 80%of the crowd the value is almost non existent.  Speedway is dying and much as I am disenchanted by it at present, I would hate to see it die. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think it also caught Iversen out in heat 6 while Porsing's fall and Bjerre's heat 13 error were both the result of having to chase the dirt but running out of room due to the confines of the circuit. Luckily none of them appear to have sustained injuries. Â I thought the chap on the mic last night was pretty good but as you say the speakers were dire and the music very poor. I appreciate many of the crowd appeared to be 50+ but music which is not reasonably modern or at least a mixture of eras isn't going to encourage younger people to attend. Unfortunately many stadia are still stuck in the 70's and 80's with very little updating and still have unacceptable toilets, poor facilities and a grubby appearance. Arlington at least seemed fairly clean and tidy. Â The advertising issue is one which unbelievably still hasn't been cottoned onto by many promoters, and its unfortunately no suprise that you saw no advertising during the day yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Box Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 If you think riders would focus elsewhere because their team can't win the league you are mistaken.Their goal as always is to score as many points as possible to earn more money. This would possibly happen if riders were paid a weekly wage like most sportsmen,but they don't.They are paid on a performance basis. Best bikes and engines would be in countries where there was potential to make play-offs and extend seasons, so increasing rider income. Minor injuries would be exaggerated to duck meetings in England where little at stake to ensure full fitness for the play off matches in Denmark, Sweden and Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think it also caught Iversen out in heat 6 while Porsing's fall and Bjerre's heat 13 error were both the result of having to chase the dirt but running out of room due to the confines of the circuit. Luckily none of them appear to have sustained injuries. Â I thought the chap on the mic last night was pretty good but as you say the speakers were dire and the music very poor. I appreciate many of the crowd appeared to be 50+ but music which is not reasonably modern or at least a mixture of eras isn't going to encourage younger people to attend. Unfortunately many stadia are still stuck in the 70's and 80's with very little updating and still have unacceptable toilets, poor facilities and a grubby appearance. Arlington at least seemed fairly clean and tidy. Â The advertising issue is one which unbelievably still hasn't been cottoned onto by many promoters, and its unfortunately no suprise that you saw no advertising during the day yesterday. They need a mahoosive injection of enthusiasm like most clubs/organisations do after many years of the same people running the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 What a disgusting and disgraceful post from Trees, This must surely be grounds for a libel action, I trust someone will draw this to Bob's attention. Surely this also puts the Forum at risk so what are the Moderators doing? Have to admit it has swung my allegiance also from Kings Lynn to Poole for the title. Â Sorry but any true speedway fan would have the same opinion as Trees. Fans of any team want to see a good speedway spectacle where both sets of riders win or lose through their racing talents - not their ability to suss out the pitfalls of a trick track. The very shape and size of Eastbourne gives the home team plenty of advantage anyway without further booby traps. Its ridiculous to suggest 'that its the same for both teams' at Eastbourne. Â The track on Monday for the Sky match was far too dusty and patchy and as bumpy as hell. Poole would've won easily on a proper track, and so would Lynn more than likely if they'd gone there to ride an obstacle course instead of racing! Lets face it the only reason Eagles have a good home record is because of the track - the team's failings are easy to see from their away form. Its not as if Dugard has never been accused of fiddling his prep to suit home riders before is it lol - it should be prepared so BOTH teams can do their best RACING - not have to contend with the condition of the track that the home team are well aware of! One or two rides to acclimitise yes on most other away tracks - but they'd have to be there every week to get the hang of Eastbourne. Â Trees' outburst has nothing to do with team allegiance - just the anger of a speedway supporter frustrated by a track that isn't fit for purpose, but if you want to hate KL now thats up to you I guess. Â If Dugard's aim is to attract fans by ensuring successful home performances then he has apparently failed. Maybe he should try to prepare a speedway track? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Box Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Its good that being in the top 4 gives a team a chance of 'something' yes (like an end of season ko cup style competition) but a chance to be 'League Champions'?? Totally ridiculous - and always has been and personally I've never been a fan of it regardless of where Lynn were in the league. Â And it can't be compared to an individual meeting that ends in a semi and final but it COULD be compared with the GP where after 10/11/12 rounds the top 4 race in a one off final to determine world champ!! How crazy would that be !! There is good and bad about the system, just pointing out the benefits, and that another sport I enjoy watching has adopted the same principle. 80,000 fans at Twickenham would be a good indicator that this is a good thing for rugby. Â It's possible to split hairs about lots of competitions about fairness and call them crazy- why should a team that finishes second in the group stage of the World Cup still go through to the next round and have a chance of being world champions ? How can the 4th place team in England be champions of Europe after winning the Champions League? how can the 8th place rider in a GP end up winning the meeting ? These are rules of the competition based on some logic to make those competitions more successful. Â What do you see the improvement would be to speedway by reverting to the non play-off method ? Â In rugby and football domestic cup competitions are dying on their feet. Why would an end of season cup competition in speedway grab any attention ? The Young Shield springs to mind, or the PL play offs where Edinburgh actually bought their own trophy to display at KL because we already had won the PL and were champions. Meaningless after the champions have already been crowned. Good 3 points for the Eagles on a track that all teams know has some home advantage - its not like its only happened this season - but some teams can ride it better than others!! Â As Lance-Corporal Wilson often said - 'They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mainwearing!!' Â Â A brave decision to run this meeting up against Wimbledon and the World Cup, but Bob does like his Saturdays - at least for this season!! You know as much about Dads Army as you do about speedway. Â It was Jonesy who used to say that. Â "Stupid boy" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) There is good and bad about the system, just pointing out the benefits, and that another sport I enjoy watching has adopted the same principle. 80,000 fans at Twickenham would be a good indicator that this is a good thing for rugby. Â It's possible to split hairs about lots of competitions about fairness and call them crazy- why should a team that finishes second in the group stage of the World Cup still go through to the next round and have a chance of being world champions ? How can the 4th place team in England be champions of Europe after winning the Champions League? how can the 8th place rider in a GP end up winning the meeting ? These are rules of the competition based on some logic to make those competitions more successful. Â What do you see the improvement would be to speedway by reverting to the non play-off method ? Â In rugby and football domestic cup competitions are dying on their feet. Why would an end of season cup competition in speedway grab any attention ? The Young Shield springs to mind, or the PL play offs where Edinburgh actually bought their own trophy to display at KL because we already had won the PL and were champions. Meaningless after the champions have already been crowned. As I've already said I'm not totally anti-playoffs - its the lack of recognition that the League winners get that irks me. After six months of 36 matches and finishing top of the league that team should be 'League Champions' in my book. By all means then have the top 4 contest an additional knock-out competition, and call it 'The Play-Offs ' if so wished - then you'd have a 'Play-Off Champion' and indeed a team could do the double. So my 'improvement' would maybe satisfy 2 teams instead of one, and wouldn't denigrate any relevance imo. Â My comparison with the GPs I think is relevant - its a season long contest that would be ridiculous to end in one 'race-off' - hopefully no-one will ever consider it. World Cup football is a one-off competition over 4 weeks run on a traditional 32>16>8>4>2>1 knock-out format. I know the first round are mini-leagues but its a fair way (and only way imo) to do it in that competition. Â I know nothing about rugby - does the League-winning team get a trophy? Obviously the play-off final is well supported but I don't think the changes I'm thinking of would (or shouldn't) affect that aspect. Edited July 6, 2014 by Star Fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I guess winning the League gives that club the prestige of representing Britain in Europe. No don't laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Barrett Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 That bloody track was a disgrace, loads of dirt up against the boards on the bends so if any rider went wide for one reason or another off the came, I was absolutely fuming! All the bloody years Bob has been doing that track, if that's his way of giving his team an advantage, best thing he can do is bloody retire! No wonder the crowd was poo, he doesn't deserve anything better providing a sh#t track like that for racers to race on!!!!!!!!!!! You should be ashamed Bob Dugard! How annoying it was after the main meeting to see this garden tractor come out with a small blade on and blade a whole load of the thick shale to right near the boards before the kids came out to race! So the track was unsafe for the kids but the blokes had to cope with it, just great!!! NOT A hollow victory for Eastbourne borne only by cheating from their promoter, the damn ref has to take some responsibility too IMO, he should have told Bob to blade it all off or move it around the track! Â Signed Pi##ed O## from Norfolk lol Don't you love reading a post from a sore loser! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 The girls got a bit of passion about her team. No harm in that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Knowing Trees as I do she would have posted something similar had we won. We've had similar conversations on the first bend at Lynn this year when Buster has let all of the shale gather out by the fence.  Its about value for your £16 / £17 rather then who wins and who loses. Edited July 6, 2014 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Don't you love reading a post from a sore loser!Not the loss I'm sore at but the reason for it! Anyway gotta let it go, roll on Thursday at our fairly prepared race circuit :-D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 It was Jonesy who used to say that."Stupid boy" Â Â Â Â Quite correct. A senior moment! Doesn't make it any less true though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Barrett Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Not the loss I'm sore at but the reason for it! Anyway gotta let it go, roll on Thursday at our fairly prepared race circuit :-D All the best, you seem to have a well balanced team, hope you go all the way, just make sure the primates do not sneak in through the back door!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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