Aaron Reuben Smith Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 If Birmingham and Eastbourne can't find new owners, any thoughts on who may take their places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I think they will go with the 8 teams left....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 If in fact it goes to 8 teams, ride each home and away twice, would that enable enough time mid season to have a break from league racing? Perhaps 4 weeks, you could fit in then the following; British Final ELRC CARDIFF GP Speedway World Cup Another GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Reuben Smith Posted July 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Not a bad shout. I guess if there's no PL clubs wanting to come up that seems a logical solution. I guess less fixtures would hopefully improve rider availability also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 One big league next year and then the national league? Or will a couple step up to the plate. Or can EL survive with 8 teams and re-introduce the KOC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I fear that it is not just Birmingham and Eastbourne. Really cannot see an Elite League next year at least in its present form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 8 team EL. Every club runs a round of the all new ELRC where every teams top 2 compete. Bring back the KOC without any gimmics or crap, just 15 riders, 15 heats as programmed - reserves only. the ELRC and KOC meeting will make up for the two lost home EL meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 RIP Elite League Speedway!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Hope i'm wrong, but more clubs are struggling than the 2 mentioned, & if 8 want to race in the Elite League next year, it will be a good result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 All i can say people is if you want your clubs to survive get out there and support them.Bums on seats are the only thing that will keep your clubs running.For the tv watchers if clubs dont get your support then there will be no league meetings to watch on your telly. Possibly 2 clubs gone MASSIVE WARNING to us all.These club closures are down to the fans and no one else, no one can keep a club going if we dont give them our support and turn up as often as we can. Its down to us people support it or loose it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I feel we have reached the last chance saloon and we have only this remaining opportunity to get it right. I sure the answers are there, just the problem of the BSPA recognising them. I believe we need to be radical in our outlook, but also we have to fit into the European timetable. Failing that we are doomed. Below are a few of my thoughts, that are totally focused on fitting in with our neighbours. The structure of the Leagues has to be progressional, with the Elite being the figure head, followed by the Premier then finally the National League. There will be no double ups allowed only double downs. The higher the league will always take preference. Riders will only be allow to ride for two teams. The Elite league will run on Wednesdays and Thursdays. (or any other, but specific days. Two consecutive days would be best as would assist the riders in travelling arrangements). Premier League to run on all days except those designated for the Elite. (ie: Wed and Thurs). NL to run whenever. Clubs unable to race on Elite League nights, will be destined for the Premier league, and vice visa. Elite league riders will only sign for a club when agreeing to ride each meeting. Premier league to sign riders knowing the Elite would take preference. Limit the Elite league to 8 teams, and split the home matches between the two days. Playing each team twice would result in 14 home matches and 14 away. A break to be arranged between A and B schedules, to allow for major Individual meetings, or SGP, British champion etc. etc. Elite teams to have a squad of 9 riders, playing seven each match. No guest needed and no RR’s (except in certain situations, multiple injuries. Etc.) This way we would appeal to more top riders of the world and be able to promote the sport at the top level. We can then attract more sponsors and television companies. Also, those supporters who don’t go anymore would probably come back if the product was better. Be interesting to hear your thoughts……… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 What about fitting rain-offs in? If you lost 2 consecutive home meetings to weather, what happens then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I feel we have reached the last chance saloon and we have only this remaining opportunity to get it right. I sure the answers are there, just the problem of the BSPA recognising them. I believe we need to be radical in our outlook, but also we have to fit into the European timetable. Failing that we are doomed. Below are a few of my thoughts, that are totally focused on fitting in with our neighbours. The structure of the Leagues has to be progressional, with the Elite being the figure head, followed by the Premier then finally the National League. There will be no double ups allowed only double downs. The higher the league will always take preference. Riders will only be allow to ride for two teams. The Elite league will run on Wednesdays and Thursdays. (or any other, but specific days. Two consecutive days would be best as would assist the riders in travelling arrangements). Premier League to run on all days except those designated for the Elite. (ie: Wed and Thurs). NL to run whenever. Clubs unable to race on Elite League nights, will be destined for the Premier league, and vice visa. Elite league riders will only sign for a club when agreeing to ride each meeting. Premier league to sign riders knowing the Elite would take preference. Limit the Elite league to 8 teams, and split the home matches between the two days. Playing each team twice would result in 14 home matches and 14 away. A break to be arranged between A and B schedules, to allow for major Individual meetings, or SGP, British champion etc. etc. Elite teams to have a squad of 9 riders, playing seven each match. No guest needed and no RR’s (except in certain situations, multiple injuries. Etc.) This way we would appeal to more top riders of the world and be able to promote the sport at the top level. We can then attract more sponsors and television companies. Also, those supporters who don’t go anymore would probably come back if the product was better. Be interesting to hear your thoughts……… Sky show speedway (mainly) on a Monday for their reasons with Sunday and Tuesday taken by other major European speedway leagues. Why should Redcar and Sheffield change race nights or leagues to accommodate the E L? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Which two days to me are irrelevant. obviously these days should be decided between the countries involved. As long as they fitted in with other countries and their fixtures that is what is important. What about fitting rain-offs in?If you lost 2 consecutive home meetings to weather, what happens then? Allowances for rain-offs can be made at the end of the season. Its easy to take a negative approach and pick up on unimportant issues, that the reason we are in the state we are in at the moment.. Something as radical as this can't be ignored just incase we get some rain off meetings. I'm sure promoters can overcome this little problem. Sky show speedway (mainly) on a Monday for their reasons with Sunday and Tuesday taken by other major European speedway leagues. Why should Redcar and Sheffield change race nights or leagues to accommodate the E L? Why should they. I'm alright jack, Sod the rest. It is precisely that attitude that has taken the sport to the state it is now. Its always easier to be a big fish in a little pond, than to be a big fish in a big pond... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Which two days to me are irrelevant. obviously these days should be decided between the countries involved. As long as they fitted in with other countries and their fixtures that is what is important. Allowances for rain-offs can be made at the end of the season. Its easy to take a negative approach and pick up on unimportant issues, that the reason we are in the state we are in at the moment.. Something as radical as this can't be ignored just incase we get some rain off meetings. I'm sure promoters can overcome this little problem. Why should they. I'm alright jack, Sod the rest. It is precisely that attitude that has taken the sport to the state it is now. Its always easier to be a big fish in a little pond, than to be a big fish in a big pond... Sky show speedway on Mondays so that can't change. Sunday and Tuesday are no go days. So, to accommodate TV coverage two consecutive days can't be used unless you're saying it's two consecutive days for other than Sky matches which go on an off day (for all but two) as now. Clubs race where they are and when they do for a reason. Changing that could ruin them so no, it's not 'I'm all right Jack' it's 'I do that to survive'. So, again, why should PL clubs change what suits them (and possibly keeps them in business) to accommodate others? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I feel we have reached the last chance saloon and we have only this remaining opportunity to get it right. I sure the answers are there, just the problem of the BSPA recognising them. I believe we need to be radical in our outlook, but also we have to fit into the European timetable. Failing that we are doomed. Below are a few of my thoughts, that are totally focused on fitting in with our neighbours. The structure of the Leagues has to be progressional, with the Elite being the figure head, followed by the Premier then finally the National League. There will be no double ups allowed only double downs. The higher the league will always take preference. Riders will only be allow to ride for two teams. The Elite league will run on Wednesdays and Thursdays. (or any other, but specific days. Two consecutive days would be best as would assist the riders in travelling arrangements). Premier League to run on all days except those designated for the Elite. (ie: Wed and Thurs). NL to run whenever. Clubs unable to race on Elite League nights, will be destined for the Premier league, and vice visa. Elite league riders will only sign for a club when agreeing to ride each meeting. Premier league to sign riders knowing the Elite would take preference. Limit the Elite league to 8 teams, and split the home matches between the two days. Playing each team twice would result in 14 home matches and 14 away. A break to be arranged between A and B schedules, to allow for major Individual meetings, or SGP, British champion etc. etc. Elite teams to have a squad of 9 riders, playing seven each match. No guest needed and no RR’s (except in certain situations, multiple injuries. Etc.) This way we would appeal to more top riders of the world and be able to promote the sport at the top level. We can then attract more sponsors and television companies. Also, those supporters who don’t go anymore would probably come back if the product was better. Be interesting to hear your thoughts……… A great list of suggestions - the two nights together make for a lot of sense so too elite league taking preference on riders. If thought through this will be the basis for developing the future of the sport in yhe UK top to bottom..now it will take some guts from those that influence such matters to get on with the planning now and not wait until the close season. Sky show speedway (mainly) on a Monday for their reasons with Sunday and Tuesday taken by other major European speedway leagues. Why should Redcar and Sheffield change race nights or leagues to accommodate the E L? Cant see why they would need to change their race night..however they would not be able to call on riders linked to EL clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 (edited) A great list of suggestions - the two nights together make for a lot of sense so too elite league taking preference on riders. If thought through this will be the basis for developing the future of the sport in yhe UK top to bottom..now it will take some guts from those that influence such matters to get on with the planning now and not wait until the close season. Cant see why they would need to change their race night..however they would not be able to call on riders linked to EL clubs. It's not me suggesting they should. Have another read of GRW's list, #3. I'm not against the two set nights for EL racing, Friday and Saturday, to allow parents to bring their kids without having to worry about school the next day. Edited July 1, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Coventry are getting really good attendance so not sure why other teams are struggling so much. Then again it's not like we have football in Cov anymore. Even Coventry storm get better crowds than Eastbourne looked to have on tv last night which is worrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 All teams riding on the same night requires, by definition, a squad system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Why should they. I'm alright jack, Sod the rest. It is precisely that attitude that has taken the sport to the state it is now. Its always easier to be a big fish in a little pond, than to be a big fish in a big pond... Wow, it wasn't that long ago we were in the Premier League, winning trophies for fun being accused of exactly that and at the time we couldn't give a frigg about the Elite League. Just because we're now doing well in the top league, let not now throw stupid statements like that at clubs who enjoy the security of the Premier League. If the Premier League is the league that pays for them why change just because the Elite League is up the sh!yter. It's a massive risk to make this jump But I will say, in a dream World I'd love to see Somerset, Peterborough & Sheffield in the Elite League. Real racers tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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