Leicester -v- Belle Vue Saturday 5 July 2014

[Hamish McRaker]

I took a look on the bet365 thing last night, as Leicester and Belle Vue are two teams i have liked, in years gone past.

First of all, i am pleased Leicester now seem to have a decent team sorted out with the major weakness at reserve improved, and some riders who will do enough at home, anyway.

But i was distressed at how poor Belle Vue were. How did they perform so badly? There is some good talent in that side, but they seemed to give up very easily. It was sad to watch.

The Leicester track is extraodinary, in my opinion. I cannot recall ever having seen such lack of racing lines. There is only one. It looked as though riders have learned to not try sweeps around the outside on bends although two did attempt it, and finished on their backsides. Gate 4 is an utter graveyard unless a very fast (illegal!) start is made, and Gate 1 offers only limited opportunities. The race is over by bend 4 of lap 1, sometimes sooner.

Hang your heads in shame for creating this, when there was probably a blank canvas with which to work.

Other venues do not have this luxury and have to work within the constrictions of other sports taking place at the venue. But to deliberately create what is a dead duck of a track, is a criminal act. It has driven a large nail into the coffin, into which speedway in the UK is stepping. Shame on you.

[mrcts]

I took a look on the bet365 thing last night, as Leicester and Belle Vue are two teams i have liked, in years gone past.

First of all, i am pleased Leicester now seem to have a decent team sorted out with the major weakness at reserve improved, and some riders who will do enough at home, anyway.

But i was distressed at how poor Belle Vue were. How did they perform so badly? There is some good talent in that side, but they seemed to give up very easily. It was sad to watch.

The Leicester track is extraodinary, in my opinion. I cannot recall ever having seen such lack of racing lines. There is only one. It looked as though riders have learned to not try sweeps around the outside on bends although two did attempt it, and finished on their backsides. Gate 4 is an utter graveyard unless a very fast (illegal!) start is made, and Gate 1 offers only limited opportunities. The race is over by bend 4 of lap 1, sometimes sooner.

Hang your heads in shame for creating this, when there was probably a blank canvas with which to work.

Other venues do not have this luxury and have to work within the constrictions of other sports taking place at the venue. But to deliberately create what is a dead duck of a track, is a criminal act. It has driven a large nail into the coffin, into which speedway in the UK is stepping. Shame on you.

Absolutely spot on!

[Shale Searcher]

The racing I have watched at Swindon and Coventry on Bet365 has been very adjacent to what we see at Leicester.. Strung out racing is a problem especially noticeable on the longer tracks... I have been watching Speedway for many years, including Blackbird Road days..

I have never said that bp is perfect, or is anywhere near as good as it could of been, however I also don't think it's as bad as some on here make out and if you keep saying something is bad, it will influence others to see it that way as well..... You know, reputations.

What can/could be done that would possibly improve the situation is not as clear-cut as most people think..

Anyone remember Brandon in the 70's, that had an awful reputational for processional, first from the gate, no passing racing..

 

Speedway in the UK has massive problems at the moment, people rave about Peterborough, "best track in the Country" "Loads of passing" "Exciting racing"

But only about 400-700 turn up to watch, so answer me this....

WHY?

[BTFC LION]

I took a look on the bet365 thing last night, as Leicester and Belle Vue are two teams i have liked, in years gone past.

First of all, i am pleased Leicester now seem to have a decent team sorted out with the major weakness at reserve improved, and some riders who will do enough at home, anyway.

But i was distressed at how poor Belle Vue were. How did they perform so badly? There is some good talent in that side, but they seemed to give up very easily. It was sad to watch.

The Leicester track is extraodinary, in my opinion. I cannot recall ever having seen such lack of racing lines. There is only one. It looked as though riders have learned to not try sweeps around the outside on bends although two did attempt it, and finished on their backsides. Gate 4 is an utter graveyard unless a very fast (illegal!) start is made, and Gate 1 offers only limited opportunities. The race is over by bend 4 of lap 1, sometimes sooner.

Hang your heads in shame for creating this, when there was probably a blank canvas with which to work.

Other venues do not have this luxury and have to work within the constrictions of other sports taking place at the venue. But to deliberately create what is a dead duck of a track, is a criminal act. It has driven a large nail into the coffin, into which speedway in the UK is stepping. Shame on you.

Just to put you right on a point or two, yes a blank canvas, but not unlimited space as you think, 3 other sporting developments were ment to be built on the land at the same time as the speedway.

As for the gates at Leicester over the last 3 meetings, Gate 1 = 10 wins. Gate 2 = 9 wins. Gate 3 = 17 wins. Gate 4 = 9 wins.

As for driving a nail into the coffin of speedway, well I think many other clubs have done a far better job at doing that than the Lions!!

[mrcts]

 

 

Speedway in the UK has massive problems at the moment, people rave about Peterborough, "best track in the Country" "Loads of passing" "Exciting racing"

But only about 400-700 turn up to watch, so answer me this....

WHY?

The population of Leicester is 330,000 and Peterborough's population is 186,000,roughly half of Leicester's so I'd say proportionally Peterborough's crowds are on par with what we get at BP.

The obvious fact is that speedway is in terminal decline and shameful tracks like Leicester do nothing to change that fact.

Edited July 6, 2014 by mrcts

[robert72]

Just to put you right on a point or two, yes a blank canvas, but not unlimited space as you think, 3 other sporting developments were ment to be built on the land at the same time as the speedway.

As for the gates at Leicester over the last 3 meetings, Gate 1 = 10 wins. Gate 2 = 9 wins. Gate 3 = 17 wins. Gate 4 = 9 wins.

As for driving a nail into the coffin of speedway, well I think many other clubs have done a far better job at doing that than the Lions!!

So as you said Not unlimited space, so why did he insist on making the straights so long ?

 

Didn't Nichols say afterwards about the track being very difficult to make a pass ?

[BTFC LION]

So as you said Not unlimited space, so why did he insist on making the straights so long ?

 

Didn't Nichols say afterwards about the track being very difficult to make a pass ?

Hello stranger!! Not sure why I should reply to you? As you ran away last time!!

Why did he make the straights so long?? I have not got a clue !!!

Yes Nichols said it was difficult to pass on the track, but he did not say you can not pass on the track!! As you see, you can make an argument either way using his comments.

Speedway in the UK has massive problems at the moment, people rave about Peterborough, "best track in the Country" "Loads of passing" "Exciting racing"

But only about 400-700 turn up to watch, so answer me this....

WHY?

The population of Leicester is 330,000 and Peterborough's population is 186,000,roughly half of Leicester's so I'd say proportionally Peterborough's crowds are on par with what we get at BP.

The obvious fact is that speedway is in terminal decline and shameful tracks like Leicester do nothing to change that fact.

I think this is a bit of a none argument, How big is Birmingham compared to Leicester?? Its all about the make up of an area, other options with regard to what you are exposed to as a young person growing up.

[The Observer]

Moving away from the track issues, no-one has mentioned the great move Buzz made in heat 13 to let Doyley through on the inside and for the Lions to gain a 5-1 heat win.

[weatherwatcher]

I watched closley every lap of every race. The Lions only saved points in at least 4 heats by nothing other than fine old fashioned team riding. After the end of the third lap BV had then given up. There where 4 or 5 strung out races but not by that much. Other than the reseves races and the races when the reserves rode against the full team riders but you can't really expect anything else but they are slowly getting better as with all the EL team reserves and are now slowly closing those gaps down.

Bates ride against Cook was drawn out right until they crossed the line.

I have always said speedway is an art and that art is for 2 riders to ride together to try and stop the other team from getting past you not to keep the crowd nowadays who only are happy if they see lots of passes in a meeting.

Passing just makes you see how strong or week your own side is. The really strong sides are those that can keep the other sides behind them. In the end they give up and fall back because they know they have no chance to get by you.

Jason 7 Krystof really rode well together with Jason letting him take the lead while he covered the insde of the track.

The good old fashioned art of team riding is something that has been lost to modern speedway.

[BTFC LION]

Moving away from the track issues, no-one has mentioned the great move Buzz made in heat 13 to let Doyley through on the inside and for the Lions to gain a 5-1 heat win.

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I agree with you, but not much point saying how good it was as the knockers will just claim it was an error by the BV rider.

[wandersome]

 

Moving away from the track issues, no-one has mentioned the great move Buzz made in heat 13 to let Doyley through on the inside and for the Lions to gain a 5-1 heat win.

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I agree with you, but not much point saying how good it was as the knockers will just claim it was an error by the BV rider.

 

 

What are the knockers supposed to be knocking in your statement? Knocking your belief that something skillful happened and that 'something' raised the level of entertainment in some way..

If so then no, not much point. I can't recall it. Did it happen on bend one of lap 1 by any chance. Much like i'm never entertained by weatherwatchers excellent 5 bikes length apart 'team riding' or pass 'stopping' as we should now call it, It's clutching at straws and i think you maybe just trying to convince yourself, rather than anyone else, that there is an entertainment value to it all..

 

It's interesting the amount of people who defend the track, particularly the most vociferous, who would seem to have some level of involvement in the running of the place. Some major, some minor. Most of the defenders on here and facebook are in some way involved in the day to day running of the place. I do wonder if these people in some way appear to be trying to validate or defend their own involvement by not allowing themselves to accept the view of the majority of speedway fans or admit the blindingly obvious to themselves. Maybe it's a fear of losing their position and self importance within the set up. Surely someone involved at Leicester Speedway must watch the fare and think it's crap. Someone must be out there who could stand up to that challenge!

 

either that or all of you BP track and entertainment defenders are all crackers!!

Edited July 6, 2014 by volty

[robert72]

Hello stranger!! Not sure why I should reply to you? As you ran away last time!!

Why did he make the straights so long?? I have not got a clue !!!

Yes Nichols said it was difficult to pass on the track, but he did not say you can not pass on the track!! As you see, you can make an argument either way using his comments.

 

you call going on holiday running away,ok whatever.

 

You need to face facts it's the worst track in speedway and as long as hemsley refuses to change it then speedway in Leicester has no long term future.

[neb]

why bother team riding around bp i dont see the need or the point.

[BTFC LION]

you call going on holiday running away,ok whatever.

 

You need to face facts it's the worst track in speedway and as long as hemsley refuses to change it then speedway in Leicester has no long term future.

I have never said it is a great track, I do not believe it is, at the moment, but that could change? Did you have a nice holiday? Do I believe that? NO!!

[SCB]

why bother team riding around bp i dont see the need or the point.

Im laughing at the idea the BV rider had give up on lap 3 personally I'd give up by bend 3 every time.

[BTFC LION]

What are the knockers supposed to be knocking in your statement? Knocking your belief that something skillful happened and that 'something' raised the level of entertainment in some way..

If so then no, not much point. I can't recall it. Did it happen on bend one of lap 1 by any chance. Much like i'm never entertained by weatherwatchers excellent 5 bikes length apart 'team riding' or pass 'stopping' as we should now call it, It's clutching at straws and i think you maybe just trying to convince yourself, rather than anyone else, that there is an entertainment value to it all..

 

It's interesting the amount of people who defend the track, particularly the most vociferous, who would seem to have some level of involvement in the running of the place. Some major, some minor. Most of the defenders on here and facebook are in some way involved in the day to day running of the place. I do wonder if these people in some way appear to be trying to validate or defend their own involvement by not allowing themselves to accept the view of the majority of speedway fans or admit the blindingly obvious to themselves. Maybe it's a fear of losing their position and self importance within the set up. Surely someone involved at Leicester Speedway must watch the fare and think it's crap. Someone must be out there who could stand up to that challenge!

 

either that or all of you BP track and entertainment defenders are all crackers!!

 

 

 

 

I have no involvement at all with Leicester Lions speedway !!! If you care to attend a meeting I would be more than happy to meet you outside so you could watch me hand over my cash to buy a ticket. You claim everyone who defends the Lions is connected to the club, well if we are all going to go down the road of assumption then I guess people like you and robert72 have a personal vendetta with DH and anything to do with the lions. I do not use face book so that does not apply to me either.

 

We all know there is a problem with the track. But the vast majority of people who read this forum are just fed up with posters like yourself and robert72 going on and on, day in day out. If anyone posts about a good meeting, they get shot down in flames by yourselves, if someone posts about a skilful manoeuvre by a rider, they get told it was a mistake by another rider.

To be honest I have got to the point now that just for the shear hell of it I will argue with you.

P.S. I will be on holiday from sat 12th so could you meet me for the wolves meeting?

[robert72]

 

What are the knockers supposed to be knocking in your statement? Knocking your belief that something skillful happened and that 'something' raised the level of entertainment in some way..

If so then no, not much point. I can't recall it. Did it happen on bend one of lap 1 by any chance. Much like i'm never entertained by weatherwatchers excellent 5 bikes length apart 'team riding' or pass 'stopping' as we should now call it, It's clutching at straws and i think you maybe just trying to convince yourself, rather than anyone else, that there is an entertainment value to it all..

 

It's interesting the amount of people who defend the track, particularly the most vociferous, who would seem to have some level of involvement in the running of the place. Some major, some minor. Most of the defenders on here and facebook are in some way involved in the day to day running of the place. I do wonder if these people in some way appear to be trying to validate or defend their own involvement by not allowing themselves to accept the view of the majority of speedway fans or admit the blindingly obvious to themselves. Maybe it's a fear of losing their position and self importance within the set up. Surely someone involved at Leicester Speedway must watch the fare and think it's crap. Someone must be out there who could stand up to that challenge!

 

either that or all of you BP track and entertainment defenders are all crackers!!

 

 

 

 

I have no involvement at all with Leicester Lions speedway !!! If you care to attend a meeting I would be more than happy to meet you outside so you could watch me hand over my cash to buy a ticket. You claim everyone who defends the Lions is connected to the club, well if we are all going to go down the road of assumption then I guess people like you and robert72 have a personal vendetta with DH and anything to do with the lions. I do not use face book so that does not apply to me either.

 

We all know there is a problem with the track. But the vast majority of people who read this forum are just fed up with posters like yourself and robert72 going on and on, day in day out. If anyone posts about a good meeting, they get shot down in flames by yourselves, if someone posts about a skilful manoeuvre by a rider, they get told it was a mistake by another rider.

To be honest I have got to the point now that just for the shear hell of it I will argue with you.

P.S. I will be on holiday from sat 12th so could you meet me for the wolves meeting?

I think you need a holiday as you are clearly losing the plot.

 

Do the paying public expect to be entertained or just go hoping for the match win ?

[wandersome]

 

What are the knockers supposed to be knocking in your statement? Knocking your belief that something skillful happened and that 'something' raised the level of entertainment in some way..

If so then no, not much point. I can't recall it. Did it happen on bend one of lap 1 by any chance. Much like i'm never entertained by weatherwatchers excellent 5 bikes length apart 'team riding' or pass 'stopping' as we should now call it, It's clutching at straws and i think you maybe just trying to convince yourself, rather than anyone else, that there is an entertainment value to it all..

 

It's interesting the amount of people who defend the track, particularly the most vociferous, who would seem to have some level of involvement in the running of the place. Some major, some minor. Most of the defenders on here and facebook are in some way involved in the day to day running of the place. I do wonder if these people in some way appear to be trying to validate or defend their own involvement by not allowing themselves to accept the view of the majority of speedway fans or admit the blindingly obvious to themselves. Maybe it's a fear of losing their position and self importance within the set up. Surely someone involved at Leicester Speedway must watch the fare and think it's crap. Someone must be out there who could stand up to that challenge!

 

either that or all of you BP track and entertainment defenders are all crackers!!

 

 

 

 

I have no involvement at all with Leicester Lions speedway !!! If you care to attend a meeting I would be more than happy to meet you outside so you could watch me hand over my cash to buy a ticket. You claim everyone who defends the Lions is connected to the club, well if we are all going to go down the road of assumption then I guess people like you and robert72 have a personal vendetta with DH and anything to do with the lions. I do not use face book so that does not apply to me either.

 

We all know there is a problem with the track. But the vast majority of people who read this forum are just fed up with posters like yourself and robert72 going on and on, day in day out. If anyone posts about a good meeting, they get shot down in flames by yourselves, if someone posts about a skilful manoeuvre by a rider, they get told it was a mistake by another rider.

To be honest I have got to the point now that just for the shear hell of it I will argue with you.

P.S. I will be on holiday from sat 12th so could you meet me for the wolves meeting?

 

 

As much as you might think a night out with you at Leicester Speedway sounds like ideal way for someone to be entertained of an evening, don't be offended if i give your offer a miss!

 

Mick.

[tsc1]

I think you need a holiday as you are clearly losing the plot.

Do the paying public expect to be entertained or just go hoping for the match win ?

. Maybe its not just the track shape. That's at fault could it be the track guy too? Only saying...................

[wandersome]

. Maybe its not just the track shape. That's at fault could it be the track guy too? Only saying...................

 

Blooming 'eck, looks like we've got sherlock on the case now.