Bagpuss Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 So the home promoter is being implored to call the meeting off because attendance will be down and his business would be affected!!? Hello, is that Matt Ford? You know all the stick you took last year for calling off one of the Lakeside meetings...................?? Yep, exactly the same......apart from the fact that it would be for the benefit of the other team, and they would be in full agreement rather than going with it reluctantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Are you Matt Ford? No. But if they're going to leave gaping loopholes like that I'd love to see someone use them. Matt Ford doesn't use loophole, he cheats. Massive difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 So......Bees knew Hansi would be missing before accepting this fixture and then they make a change to their line up knowing that MJJ would not be available either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) If Coventry made the personnel changes and already knew that would leave them vulnerable in fixtures already written into the fixture list, then it's Coventrys own fault. I can see why this also effects the team they are riding at crowd wise as well, but only KL should be able to cancel or not, but it's meetings like this that then set a president of what happens in the future..... Allow this to not go ahead because of an understrength team, self inflicted as well would further de-professionalise the league.... Edited July 2, 2014 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 So the home promoter is being implored to call the meeting off because attendance will be down and his business would be affected!!? Hello, is that Matt Ford? You know all the stick you took last year for calling off one of the Lakeside meetings...................?? Yep, exactly the same......apart from the fact that it would be for the benefit of the other team, and they would be in full agreement rather than going with it reluctantly. Far from it, it was a totally different scenario altogether. Matt Ford cancelled his meeting because of the implications to riders averages and the changes he had planned. It was nothing to do with Lakeside, or the fact of whatever crowd would be attending, action that was beneficial to POOLE speedway only !!!! Buster has been backed into a corner, where whatever he does he loses, through no fault of his own.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Far from it, it was a totally different scenario altogether. Matt Ford cancelled his meeting because of the implications to riders averages and the changes he had planned. It was nothing to do with Lakeside, or the fact of whatever crowd would be attending, action that was beneficial to POOLE speedway only !!!! Buster has been backed into a corner, where whatever he does he loses, through no fault of his own.... I agree, the fixture as a spectacle has been devalued through no fault of his own... What I am saying is that if meetings could be called off, then in this case, only KL should be allowed to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Must get good odds tonight on Harris still not to score double figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny bee firefly Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 So......Bees knew Hansi would be missing before accepting this fixture and then they make a change to their line up knowing that MJJ would not be available either. The difference between losing by 30 or 35 ! Once hans was missing bees had zero chance of picking up anything ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) There really are no winners from tonights meeting. Guess who are the biggest losers ? Speedway shafting its own punters, yet again. Yet we all keep coming back for more, well maybe not all, and there lies the problem. Watch out for Havvys white Flag tonight. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/speedway/fuming-coventry-bees-boss-gary-7358211 Edited July 2, 2014 by semion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamtig Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 If coventry are putting out a PL/NL team, then cant buster do the same and charge a reduced fee in the hope of creating a closer meeting with a larger crowd? Or, if coventry are at fault, buster should run the meeting at a reduced fee and send the bill for his riders payment to the coventry promotion. The only outcome now is to run the meeting, buster will lose out as the crowd will stay away. On top of that lynn will win by a lot meaning he has to pay out a lot. Didnt lynn used to have some dodgy electrics or something that were always playing up on speedway night when there was a big stockcar meeting planned that week? Did they ever get fixed..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) If coventry are putting out a PL/NL team, then cant buster do the same and charge a reduced fee in the hope of creating a closer meeting with a larger crowd? Or, if coventry are at fault, buster should run the meeting at a reduced fee and send the bill for his riders payment to the coventry promotion. The only outcome now is to run the meeting, buster will lose out as the crowd will stay away. On top of that lynn will win by a lot meaning he has to pay out a lot. Didnt lynn used to have some dodgy electrics or something that were always playing up on speedway night when there was a big stockcar meeting planned that week? Did they ever get fixed..... Only one meeting was cancelled due to the electrical problem, and that has been sorted. Havvy's comments are definitely worth reading - hopefully the muppets controlling British speedway will take note, especially the suggestions of having a squad or just simply an agreement with DMU and make guests an option Other countries do it so its about time we caught up! Edited July 2, 2014 by Star Fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 If coventry are putting out a PL/NL team, then cant buster do the same and charge a reduced fee in the hope of creating a closer meeting with a larger crowd? Or, if coventry are at fault, buster should run the meeting at a reduced fee and send the bill for his riders payment to the coventry promotion. The only outcome now is to run the meeting, buster will lose out as the crowd will stay away. On top of that lynn will win by a lot meaning he has to pay out a lot. Didnt lynn used to have some dodgy electrics or something that were always playing up on speedway night when there was a big stockcar meeting planned that week? Did they ever get fixed..... Bit below the belt that, trying to push the emphasis elsewhere. Lynn cancelled only one meeting because of electrical fault , and that was pinpointed down to a blown transformer, which was not Lynn's responsibility . As for the bit about Stock Cars, your having a big larf.... Buster is that well organised he could run Speedway and Stock-cars on consecutive days... When it comes to organisation, Buster is the best in the business..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) This reminds me why I don't spend my money on speedway any more! so when speedway finally closes its doors (as its current attendance run rate will inevitably deliver) it will all be your fault and the fault of people like you... rest assured it wont be the fault of those who 'run' the sport, as they do a magnificent job in being the gatekeepers of the sport's honesty, integrity and professionalism... quite simply fans should just turn up every week and pay their money regardless of what 'barry white' is being served up, and be grateful that there is any speedway at all.. ridiculous made up rules, pish poor entertainment, main draw card riders missing, guest riders every night/week, not value for money, disjointed fixture lists being manipulated to ensure home wins, standing around in the freezing cold for two and a half hours, blah blah blah, heard it all before.. absolute no valid reasons there for not attending..... very selfish view in my (and I would suggest many promoters' opinion) that so many 1000's every week over the past couple of decades have decided not to bother going to speedway meetings even more so when promoters give you the wonderful variety of watching a 'select' side that they have put together... let's be honest, what more can the promoters do to get fans through the turnstiles..? Edited July 2, 2014 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamtig Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Im not blaming buster, only a fool would put speedway before stockcars having seen the crowds both attract. He cant call tonight off because of bad weather but it would be stupid to carry on as planned. Season ticket holders will turn up, but the money is made from away fans and home fans (and presumably any profit from the bar). With the teams as they are they arent going to make money but most likely end up at a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Horton has tried to get the meeting rearranged since signing MJJ, we wouldnt even be talking about it had Hans been the only one missing. At least Horton holds his hands up and admits wrong unlike some other promotions when similar circumstances occur and hasnt bleated about it being postponed. Still buck stops with him and he has admitted so. One way of looking at it if this was to happen I would probably pick this fixture, lets make sure this doesnt happen again as we are definitely challengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I do wonder what Buster will have to say about all this If he gets on the mic. Not that I am planning on being there to hear it. Maybe its time the Oxford Dictionary had a new word added... Hortonism ? Meaning making a cock-up. He seems to make a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Everyone should boycott this meeting and make a stand for British Speedway. If fans do decide to turn up tonight then if there is an EL in years to come we can expect to see teams made up of guests for many more years to come because the fans have still turned up to farce meetings therefore the BSPA will not change anything. Look at the bigger picture here and make a stand. £17 To see Lynn run riot against a Coventry Storm side with a NL Rider in Simon Lambert at No.1. I have been a fan for many years and it really is becoming a whole big joke now fair enough if Coventry were allowed to get EL guests in but they aren't. Yeah, good 'un, that would only penalize the King's Lynn promotion by hitting their gate receipts when they are not even the ones at fault?!? FFS. I am going tonight, and I am going to cheer on my team as they have been sensational so far this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Yeah, good 'un, that would only penalize the King's Lynn promotion by hitting their gate receipts when they are not even the ones at fault?!? FFS. I am going tonight, and I am going to cheer on my team as they have been sensational so far this season. Yes like you I'm going tonight too - its not Buster's fault that [a] the rules don't allow suitable guests for missing Danish riders that Horton knew of the problem and didn't create a stink about it earlier. There'll obviously be several 'walk-over' heats but hopefully Harris Hansen & Garrity at least will provide a bit of a challenge for the Stars so a few good races ( maybe) .... Edited July 2, 2014 by Star Fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I said it was the BSPA's fault. The BSPA should of let Coventry choose EL guests not PL guests. If everyone is going tonight then there is no point moaning about the state of the sport on the forum because nothing will change and it will be the same week in week out. £17 to watch a patched up team every week. I get your point but your 'action' doesn't penalise those at fault which is why I think it makes no sense. Blame Coventry? Don't go to Brandon in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Nothing new here though is there... I remember many years ago Cov turning up at KL with Lee Coleman (where is he now?) replacing Hans Nielsen, the only thing was that this was in the days before the internet so nobody was aware of this until the parade! At least now we're all well informed enough to stay away and save some money, that's about the only positive I can draw from the whole sorry shambles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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