Guest Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Can anyone give help in regard to contacting the group No airfence=no speedway? I have been unable to find a forum link for it but understand that one does exist. It would be interesting to read its objectives and to find where it has made progress so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Can anyone give help in regard to contacting the group No airfence=no speedway? I have been unable to find a forum link for it but understand that one does exist. It would be interesting to read its objectives and to find where it has made progress so far. I'm not entirely sure what you mean. There is a Facebook group with the name that you mention. Is that what you are asking about? If so, just go to https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Air-Fences-No-Speedway/539396966165552 If that is what you are referring to, I believe this group was created after the tragic death of Grzegorz Knapp last weekend in a crash on a track without an air fence, so the "progress so far" probably isn't too big given the recent nature of the incident that led to its creation. Edited June 28, 2014 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Guess you spotted this from my comment about the group.I just assumed it would be forming some sort of pressure group,but guess as the next Dutch League meeting is set for next weekend then nothing so far has happened.The easy answer for those fans and riders who don't want speedway at tracks that have no airfence is.....don't go to them.It will be interesting to see how many fans and riders(some who witnessed the tragic crash last weekend)will attend the Dutch meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) I'm not entirely sure what you mean. There is a Facebook group with the name that you mention. Is that what you are asking about? If so, just go to https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Air-Fences-No-Speedway/539396966165552 If that is what you are referring to, I believe this group was created after the tragic death of Grzegorz Knapp last weekend in a crash on a track without an air fence, so the "progress so far" probably isn't too big given the recent nature of the incident that led to its creation. Thank you very much for your assistance. I caught a mention of the group when I was on a Facbook group but could not find it on later search. This is an important development/suggestion and is deserving of all the support it can get. There are now three SHARE references to the Group on Facebook as well as its own base group. Edited June 28, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) No one gives a crap when I say making airfence's mandatory would kill speedway in Finland. Well, what about what this bloke says on that Facebook site: Dave Parker: Same here in Aussie Nick, the 3 main bike tracks have Airfences, but there are so many car/bike tracks around Australia, it would be impossible to have all tracks use Airfences. Also and not for one moment say it doesn't happen, but Sidecars are as big or bigger in Australia than Solo's and they "normally" don't spear off into the fence. If we banned all tracks that didn't have an Airfence, we would have 3 tracks in Australia which is about 4 times the size of Europe. That would crucify Speedway in Australia Nick Mallett says on the same site that there should be a recycling program of fences to make them available second hand. Yes there should be one. One question though: There is no absolute way of checking the airfence, if it's good or not. They have the homologation stamp and they are useless after seven (5+2) years. How can any national federation give them a new homologation stamp for more years, when the reason why they are scrapped isn't even available. The whole process is based on visual inspection! Now if I bought 10 second hand fences and install them on Finnish tracks... Someone hits the fence, turns out it's out of date, what will the insurance company say? I'm pretty confident they wont pay, thats for sure. EDIT: Niels-Kristian Iversen went on top of my hero-list when he said in his column on a Kings Lynn local paper, that there's no sense in making new rules, forcing suits and such if the tracks are crap. Prepare the track for speedway and the safety in our sport will increase considerably! Edited June 28, 2014 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Like i said on the 125 thread,it would also put a lot of the Danish 80cc tracks out of business and quite a number of other tracks around the speedway world.It is of course desirable,but not at the moment possible to have all tracks fitted with an airfence.Think there are still a number in GB without an airfence and Longtracks have seen a number of bad accidents in recent past. Think it would not only put Finnish speedway out of business,but Argentinian,Bulgarian,Estonian etc.But it is a big decision for fans and riders if they want to go to a track without an airfence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Like i said on the 125 thread,it would also put a lot of the Danish 80cc tracks out of business and quite a number of other tracks around the speedway world.It is of course desirable,but not at the moment possible to have all tracks fitted with an airfence.Think there are still a number in GB without an airfence and Longtracks have seen a number of bad accidents in recent past. Think it would not only put Finnish speedway out of business,but Argentinian,Bulgarian,Estonian etc.But it is a big decision for fans and riders if they want to go to a track without an airfence One way of getting airfences in to Finland is to adopt the British way. Make riders ride for free and put that money in to the fences. This is a good idea, yes? Well the reality is that we would need 4 seasons of free speedway to get four tracks "fenced". Thats with the current "godfathers" of Finnish speedway putting their money in to fences/organisations they have no control or say over. No one even knows if there's a league in Finland next season! And the riders then... Ride for free... Even if and when the money is not that great, the whole idea stops there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 One way of getting airfences in to Finland is to adopt the British way. Make riders ride for free and put that money in to the fences. This is a good idea, yes? Well the reality is that we would need 4 seasons of free speedway to get four tracks "fenced". Thats with the current "godfathers" of Finnish speedway putting their money in to fences/organisations they have no control or say over. No one even knows if there's a league in Finland next season! And the riders then... Ride for free... Even if and when the money is not that great, the whole idea stops there. I understand the dilemma.I'd imagine it will be extremely hard for some countries/tracks to ever afford an airfence,as like you say an old one isn't any good.How do we get around that?Do the FIM outlaw non airfence tracks,so they in effect run as pirate/non licenced tracks?All riders that ride on them are then automatically banned from FIM competitions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 I have just checked the Facebook group "No Airfence+No Speedway" at https://www.facebook...539396966165552 and they have so far had 3,630 LIKES from posters for their worthy campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 I understand the dilemma.I'd imagine it will be extremely hard for some countries/tracks to ever afford an airfence,as like you say an old one isn't any good.How do we get around that?Do the FIM outlaw non airfence tracks,so they in effect run as pirate/non licenced tracks?All riders that ride on them are then automatically banned from FIM competitions? If you are licensed by your national federation, then you are also under FIM. So in that case FIM could ban you through your own federation. If you are not licensed, then you can do what you want. For example get insurance where you want (or can get it) and so on. But then you cant compete with the licensed guys, you can kiss all your championship dreams good bye... But on the other hand you can create your own! If the FIM would issue an amendment to the APD rule, we then would have tools to create a 2nd hand market for APD's. I'm told from FIM via grapevine thats why the homologation runs out on them, to make them 2nd hand and available. They've just forgotten to give the tools for us (FMN's) to make the scrapped APD's legal again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 I'm not entirely sure what you mean. There is a Facebook group with the name that you mention. Is that what you are asking about? If so, just go to https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Air-Fences-No-Speedway/539396966165552 If that is what you are referring to, I believe this group was created after the tragic death of Grzegorz Knapp last weekend in a crash on a track without an air fence, so the "progress so far" probably isn't too big given the recent nature of the incident that led to its creation. The track where this crash happened rash didn't have an air fence but having seen the photo I am not sure if an air fence would have helped. I don't know for certain but the crash appeared to occur after the start line and was mid track. I do agree that air fences should be mandatory where an adequate alternative isn't available but in my view(and my view alone), installing an air fence at Buxton and Rye House has not improved rider safety since their fences were perfectly adequate before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 I If the FIM would issue an amendment to the APD rule, we then would have tools to create a 2nd hand market for APD's. I'm told from FIM via grapevine thats why the homologation runs out on them, to make them 2nd hand and available. They've just forgotten to give the tools for us (FMN's) to make the scrapped APD's legal again... On the face of it that does seem a bit ridiculous.Are you saying the FIM have given a specific life to an air fence and then the track that bought it must sell it and the track that buys it cheap can then just ask for a new licence,pay a couple of hundred quid and they have a cheap airfence that will last 5 years or so?The original track then has to buy a brand new airfence again...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Basically, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 The FIM are geniuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Great Central, what makes the original safety fences at Buxton and Rye House so good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Great Central, what makes the original safety fences at Buxton and Rye House so good? Ive not seen Buyxtons but Rye Houses sort of falls apart and wraps itself around the riders. I was there in 2003 for a double header and in heat 2 of the NL meeting all 4 riders locked together and rode straight into the fence (and straight at me sat on the 1st bend!) the fence from the entrance to the 1st bend all the way to the exit of bend 2 fell down and the riders and bikes ended up wrapped in it. The riders were slowed down slowly enough and everyone got up. Had it been a harder fence - even with an air fence I'm not convinced all 4 would have got up. edit - This is simple enough. A rider who doesnt want to ride at a track without an air fence doesn't. They take the risks, nobody makes them ride. If a track is not safe, don't ride on it. Edited June 28, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) The FIM are geniuses I've just recently woken up to this problem, but the fact is that CCP is a bunch of amateurs. Not saying that they are idiots or incompetent at all, but they really are just a bunch of good willing people that are willingly spending their free time for the benefit of speedway. They really do NOT get (enough anyway) financial compensation for their efforts. There's a lot of knowledge in there and they do get somethings right the first time. But the mean spiriteness and ässholiness that is sometimes required to steer a ship in another direction (what ever that is) is lacking in my opinion. And also at times they seem to feel that they are above the laws of reality. I say this with a memory of the 7 round U21 WC which in my mind was total madness. But then again, in this thread anyway, if they really wanted to and banned all tracks without APD's, they would be pissing on their own feet big time. So they are in a really difficult situation. Edited June 28, 2014 by f-s-p 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 I've just recently woken up to this problem, but the fact is that CCP is a bunch of amateurs. Not saying that they are idiots or incompetent at all, but they really are just a bunch of good willing people that are willingly spending their free time for the benefit of speedway. They really do NOT get (enough anyway) financial compensation for their efforts. There's a lot of knowledge in there and they do get somethings right the first time. But the mean spiriteness and ässholiness that is sometimes required to steer a ship in another direction (what ever that is) is lacking in my opinion. And also at times they seem to feel that they are above the laws of reality. I say this with a memory of the 7 round U21 WC which in my mind was total madness. But then again, in this thread anyway, if they really wanted to and banned all tracks without APD's, they would be pissing on their own feet big time. So they are in a really difficult situation. I'd agree with you on the U21 series and especially taking it to Argentina.But in a way that goes against what you say in that they lack the mean spiritness.My way of thinking,despite the evidence they just went ahead with that project because it was what Armando wanted.Not sure who is on the CCP apart from Castagna?Olsen? I get what you are saying,but i doubt any of them are poor.No-one sadly makes much money out of speedway apart from the top-ish riders and a few promoters and possibly BSI,Mike Patrick and Phil Rising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Composition is beneath my post. They had a good old fashion re-vamp last winter. Stekkers for intance is in it now. Thats kind of the problem with CCP, since it's not a job you apply to, you instead get a bunch of grey people that chat about the good old times! I do realise that the previous sentence was over-stepping it, but thats sort of the idea of I was after. And the amateurish concept of speedway goverment goes all the way down to me for example, I'm in the SML track racing commission. There's stuff I need to do for no compensation from SML, and when I do it, I sometimes get hurt financially... It's pretty fugged up system in every way! As a self employed entrepeneur, I've had another awakening, It's called bookkeeping. It's a marvellous form of art that can do miracles on one's finances either way... I feel compelled to say that many people make money out of speedway. But they do it AFTER they have put they balls on the line... Bureau Gregory RICCI Coordinator Wolfgang GLAS DMSB Anthony STEELE ACU / BSPA Thierry BOUIN FFM Piotr SZYMANSKI PZM Tony OLSSON SVEMO Jan STAECHMANN DMU Officials Alex HARKESS ACU Frank ZIEGLER DMSB David JOINER AMA Graham BRODIE ACU Svend JACOBSEN DMU Petr MORAVEC ACCR Wojciech STEEPHIEWSKI PZM Oleg ZAKHAROV MFR Christian BOUIN FFM Lydia ROBIN FFM Ilkka TEROMAA SML Expert Mick BATES ACU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Dave Parker: Same here in Aussie Nick, the 3 main bike tracks have Airfences, but there are so many car/bike tracks around Australia, it would be impossible to have all tracks use Airfences. Also and not for one moment say it doesn't happen, but Sidecars are as big or bigger in Australia than Solo's and they "normally" don't spear off into the fence. If we banned all tracks that didn't have an Airfence, we would have 3 tracks in Australia which is about 4 times the size of Europe. That would crucify Speedway in Australia Dave Parker is the promoter/president of the Gillman speedway track in adelaide. It is 1 of only 3 tracks with air fences. Most of the tracks in Aussie are run by dirt bike clubs, speedway just gets the odd club day here & there. I don't think that any of the clubs would like to buy a fence that only gets used half a dozen times a year. A lot of our tracks only have a timber fence at 1 end as we have 2/3 tracks built on the 1 track. Google North Brisbane motorcycle club & you will see what I mean. Even my local track in Ayr, North Queensland only has a fence at 1 end. Turns 1&2 runs out onto another track. Sorry for the long post. Cheers duane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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