Brummie Kev Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Interview with Tony Mole and Tiff on the link below. Tony says hes to hold a meeting in August with former sponsors of the Brummies to try and get a consortium together to bring the club back next year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02202rr - Skip to 01:36:00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) TOSSER! I'd like to second that opinion. What if the people of Birmingham want Speedway, but don't want a fool and his son running ruining it? I still maintain Phillips antics has put plenty off over the last 18 months, no disrespect, but plenty of outsiders seem to underestimate how much damage this man did to the crowd levels, I've seen plenty who said they woulden't be returning while he was in charge. It's a great gesture by Coventry, Wolves, Bell Vue etc, but I won't be using it as I am a one club man, Brummies or nothing for me. Edited July 15, 2014 by david2905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham78 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Sad day for all connected with the Brummies, in particular those who fought so hard to bring the sport back to the city. Here's hoping for a swift return in 2015. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 What happens to other teams points etc are results just voided? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 What happens to other teams points etc are results just voided? Looking at the table earlier. They already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 What if the people of Birmingham want Speedway, but don't want a fool and his son running ruining it? Then people should turn up to support the sport. Birmingham is a large city and should be able to support a team but then so is London and they cannot also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 What happens to other teams points etc are results just voided? Yes. http://www.speedwaygb.co/eltable14.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeoBrummie Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Then people should turn up to support the sport. Birmingham is a large city and should be able to support a team but then so is London and they cannot also. It should be noted that both Drury and Tony Mole have gone on record and stated that speedway was perfectly viable (and profitable) when they were running the show however, this does not apply if you have lunatics in charge of the asylum! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Then people should turn up to support the sport. Birmingham is a large city and should be able to support a team but then so is London and they cannot also. Would you give your money to a bloke who is ruining the club and having a go at the fans and giving off a totally amateurish appearance ?, Speedway is backwards in this respect in that it automatically expects people to turn up and it's their fault when they don't, modern leisure attractions don't and can't work like that, because they know there are many alternatives should the customer not be happy with you and your product, the Phillips regime showed an unwelcoming and negative manner far too often with a poor team selection this year exacerbating the problem. If you want people to turn up, make them feel welcome and entertained at a friendly venue, if you believe lambasting them every so often is the way, then frankly you deserve to fail, Speedway as a whole is p*** poor on the whole promoting and PR thing, it needs dragging kicking and screaming up to 21st century standards. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Would you give your money to a bloke who is ruining the club and having a go at the fans and giving off a totally amateurish appearance ?, Speedway is backwards in this respect in that it automatically expects people to turn up and it's their fault when they don't, modern leisure attractions don't and can't work like that, because they know there are many alternatives should the customer not be happy with you and your product, the Phillips regime showed an unwelcoming and negative manner far too often with a poor team selection this year exacerbating the problem. If you want people to turn up, make them feel welcome and entertained at a friendly venue, if you believe lambasting them every so often is the way, then frankly you deserve to fail, Speedway as a whole is p*** poor on the whole promoting and PR thing, it needs dragging kicking and screaming up to 21st century standards. Why was the club then sold to them ? You are 100% right with your points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Would you give your money to a bloke who is ruining the club and having a go at the fans and giving off a totally amateurish appearance ?, Speedway is backwards in this respect in that it automatically expects people to turn up and it's their fault when they don't, modern leisure attractions don't and can't work like that, because they know there are many alternatives should the customer not be happy with you and your product, the Phillips regime showed an unwelcoming and negative manner far too often with a poor team selection this year exacerbating the problem. If you want people to turn up, make them feel welcome and entertained at a friendly venue, if you believe lambasting them every so often is the way, then frankly you deserve to fail, Speedway as a whole is p*** poor on the whole promoting and PR thing, it needs dragging kicking and screaming up to 21st century standards. Good post and some very good points. Speedway IMO needs to remarket as an extreme sport (I know I'm not the 1st to suggest this) if it is to survive to any great extent. Watch any show like Nitro Circus or X-Fighters and you'll get the idea, obviously it would be nigh on impossible for most tracks to emulate the level of entertainment that those events generate, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be dismissed as a way forward. One key ingredient is the atmosphere generated, which for a venue like Perry Barr would be a problem with the ban on airhorns and previous noise problems, but I guess that could be worked around. Something drastic needs to happen to speedway in this country and it needs to happen pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Um, so you see the closure of Birmingham Speedway as "Happy days" Some people are beyond belief. All the best Rob I think that's markyb's standard sign off but there's nothing happy about the Birmingham situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) I suspect that the sale to Phillips was welcomed as long as Luty's business and capital was behind it. Once that left I doubt whether an accountancy business was able to generate enough capital on its own Tony Mole's comments showed that it is expected that promoters have cash in reserve to cope with temporary cash flow shortages and can inject money to keep things going. It seems clear in this case such cover wasn't there and I expect this had the BSPA concerned. Once the sale to Mole fell through in November then the departure of Drury there wasn't going to be much sympathy when Phillips ran into trouble. I just pray that a re-start canbe made in the sanity of the PL next year. It's a lovely speedway with great fans who deserved better than criticism, bullying and eventual closure. I'll add that I saw this bullying first hand when I dared to criticise the promotion for their lunatic decision to ban BBC WM from Perry Barr. Some people just deserve to fail. Edited July 15, 2014 by rmc 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) It has nothing to do with "benefits Street" or "refugees" It is simply a good business move from Mick Horton. He knows there are a few hundred prospective customers probably now looking for a new place to watch their speedway. It is likely the Birmingham season ticket holders would not have gone to other clubs as regulars in the short term so it is a move that costs nothing with the potential to create more Coventry fans next year. While the Coventry angle is clearly a small loss leader to get new customers in it works well for the Birmingham season ticket holders lessening the loss on their outlay in some way.A win win situation a midst an almighty mess left behind by the Phillips' I have no problem with the season ticket holders getting something from the other teams, as they've paid for something that they aren't going to get any more. Similar to how airlines would be expected to bring home passengers left stranded abroad if their carrier went bust...no problem with that at all... HOWEVER this thing about the "weekly payer" simply doesn't make sense. Why should they get hand-outs for meetings that they might not go to and certainly haven't paid for? If Ryanair went bust, do you think EasyJet would come along and say to that if you haven't booked a flight with Ryanair, and haven't bought a ticket yet, they'll give you discounts over and above what EasyJet's regular passengers get? Do you honestly see serious and successful businesses taking that course of action? But then this is speedway, where every angle should be explored to make life free or cheap for the spectators, and then wonder why promoters run out of cash. Yes, even the ones lauded a year ago for being the most pro-active, and "progressive" in the way that money-off bargains were being thrown about courtesy of Groupon, Amazon Local etc etc. Yes, business sense and speedway - great bedfellows. Edited July 15, 2014 by The Pedaler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansolo Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 I have no problem with the season ticket holders getting something from the other teams, as they've paid for something that they aren't going to get any more. Similar to how airlines would be expected to bring home passengers left stranded abroad if their carrier went bust...no problem with that at all... HOWEVER this thing about the "weekly payer" simply doesn't make sense. Why should they get hand-outs for meetings that they might not go to and certainly haven't paid for? If Ryanair went bust, do you think EasyJet would come along and say to that if you haven't booked a flight with Ryanair, and haven't bought a ticket yet, they'll give you discounts over and above what EasyJet's regular passengers get? Do you honestly see serious and successful businesses taking that course of action? But then this is speedway, where every angle should be explored to make life free or cheap for the spectators, and then wonder why promoters run out of cash. Yes, even the ones lauded a year ago for being the most pro-active, and "progressive" in the way that money-off bargains were being thrown about courtesy of Groupon, Amazon Local etc etc. Yes, business sense and speedway - great bedfellows. Do you like Polish Speedway.... There have been more than the phillips dynasty that have put birmingham speedway public off, or potential supporters..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 I have no problem with the season ticket holders getting something from the other teams, as they've paid for something that they aren't going to get any more. Similar to how airlines would be expected to bring home passengers left stranded abroad if their carrier went bust...no problem with that at all... HOWEVER this thing about the "weekly payer" simply doesn't make sense. Why should they get hand-outs for meetings that they might not go to and certainly haven't paid for? If Ryanair went bust, do you think EasyJet would come along and say to that if you haven't booked a flight with Ryanair, and haven't bought a ticket yet, they'll give you discounts over and above what EasyJet's regular passengers get? Do you honestly see serious and successful businesses taking that course of action? But then this is speedway, where every angle should be explored to make life free or cheap for the spectators, and then wonder why promoters run out of cash. Yes, even the ones lauded a year ago for being the most pro-active, and "progressive" in the way that money-off bargains were being thrown about courtesy of Groupon, Amazon Local etc etc. Yes, business sense and speedway - great bedfellows. But you are missing the point of such action. In the case of Coventry (and others) it isn't a case of riding in on the white charger to save the day. They are merely the vultures hovering to pick up the worthwhile scraps from the mess. Like I said Mick Horton is hoping to turn those ex Birmingham fans into future Coventry fans with a nice little inducement. It is more difficult in the case of none season ticket holders because such inducements can risk alienating your existing customer base if not applied across the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) While aware that not too many supporters of the recently-closed Birmingham Brummies will find their Saturday meetings accessible, Berwick Speedway confirm that, as is the case with some midland circuits, they will honour Birmingham season tickets at any 2014 meeting at Shielfield Park. "We understand this offer will not suit many Brummie fans, because of the distances involved" explained Bandits' promoter Dennis McCleary. "But we feel for them, and should anyone holding a valid season ticket for Perry Barr be on holiday, or touring in the north, our doors are open to them at any and every meeting here for the rest of the year". Edited July 16, 2014 by crescent girl 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Whatever their motives, I cannot help but be slightly impressed (and surprised) that so many other clubs have said they will honour Birmingham season tickets. The Midlands clubs apart I doubt there will be more than a dozen take them up on the offer but that's not the point. If all clubs made the same offer something awful could be used as a positive thing. Press releases to the media along the lines of speedway cares about it's fans etc. It would cost most clubs less than a hundred quid, some much less, Come on promoters get off your backsides and do it. Edited July 16, 2014 by Star Lady 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Then people should turn up to support the sport. Birmingham is a large city and should be able to support a team but then so is London and they cannot also. How pray, do you turn up and support the sport without supporting the clown and son who are killing it? Only way I can think of would be to climb the walls and get in free and then give your £17 directly to the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Berwick just announced they will honour Brummies season tickets too.So sorry to hear of the end of the Brummies, they always brought a brilliant support up to Berwick in the PL. I hope you get your team back soon guys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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