Daniel Smith Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Steve Ribbons? That's only because he'd proper cooked it up once or twice in the past. Not very well vetted prior to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 The fund now stands at £8865.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Basically if you haven't been paid for it, then as a supplier you can take it back. Check out the concept of"lein" - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Lein  It would allow the GRA to effectively hold property to ransom til their debts are cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 As someone who's been going to Ipswich speedway since they enjoyed a fierce rivalry with my 1st love Norwich speedway I'm well aware of how good John Berry was! Â But I've heard many fans in the subsequent years since Berry's departure from Ipswich go on about how things would be better if John Berry was running Ipswich or indeed British speedway. But in all honesty the 1970's were very different times to what they are. If John Berry was about now I struggle to see where he'd do much better if any better at all. Â Speedways biggest problem now is how to attract younger supporters to watch cause its scary at many tracks to see older faces the largest % of the dwindling crowds. Take away the over 50's from crowds and you'd have hardly anyone attending. When the over 50's pass away who's going to replace them? Â As much as the Phillips father and son duo got it wrong at Birmingham they weren't helped by the poor crowd levels. Birmingham can be sustainable if ran properly and by persons with big finance! Â Like I said last night, the fans fighting fund should help to ease the costs of any new promotion and to enhance their apetite to do it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 As someone who's been going to Ipswich speedway since they enjoyed a fierce rivalry with my 1st love Norwich speedway I'm well aware of how good John Berry was! Â But I've heard many fans in the subsequent years since Berry's departure from Ipswich go on about how things would be better if John Berry was running Ipswich or indeed British speedway. But in all honesty the 1970's were very different times to what they are. If John Berry was about now I struggle to see where he'd do much better if any better at all. Â Speedways biggest problem now is how to attract younger supporters to watch cause its scary at many tracks to see older faces the largest % of the dwindling crowds. Take away the over 50's from crowds and you'd have hardly anyone attending. When the over 50's pass away who's going to replace them? Â As much as the Phillips father and son duo got it wrong at Birmingham they weren't helped by the poor crowd levels. Birmingham can be sustainable if ran properly and by persons with big finance! Â Like I said last night, the fans fighting fund should help to ease the costs of any new promotion and to enhance their apetite to do it! Every business can be run well by people with big finances,Its called subsidising.whatever happens at Birmingham it is essential that they have a business model that is sustainable, income to costs.If it is not they will end up back at square one ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Check out the concept of"lein" - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Lein  It would allow the GRA to effectively hold property to ransom til their debts are cleared. I think that the link you have provided refers to fiscal rules in the United States of America, we live in the United Kingdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Ford is a rarity in speedway, a promoter that promotes, but the crowds are still down at poole this year. i would suggest the poole crowd is effected due to the watered down sides, daft rider sharing rule, rather than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 The crowds at Poole are down due to the Turbo Twins effect I feel, they were major draws in the world of Elite League speedway; wherever they went; crowds turned out to watch them in the thousands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 As someone who's been going to Ipswich speedway since they enjoyed a fierce rivalry with my 1st love Norwich speedway I'm well aware of how good John Berry was! Â But I've heard many fans in the subsequent years since Berry's departure from Ipswich go on about how things would be better if John Berry was running Ipswich or indeed British speedway. But in all honesty the 1970's were very different times to what they are. If John Berry was about now I struggle to see where he'd do much better if any better at all. Â Speedways biggest problem now is how to attract younger supporters to watch cause its scary at many tracks to see older faces the largest % of the dwindling crowds. Take away the over 50's from crowds and you'd have hardly anyone attending. When the over 50's pass away who's going to replace them? Â As much as the Phillips father and son duo got it wrong at Birmingham they weren't helped by the poor crowd levels. Birmingham can be sustainable if ran properly and by persons with big finance! Â Like I said last night, the fans fighting fund should help to ease the costs of any new promotion and to enhance their apetite to do it! Â totally agree re the age demographic ! Â However I have an 8 year old daughter who is now into speedway - started 2 years ago when I took her to a Coventry Storm meeting and now she has a crush on Ryan Terry-Daley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Seems like the Mail are putting stories online again, after I contacted them. Yesterdays and todays stories below: Â http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/other-sport/speedway-graham-drury-keen-help-7399018 Â http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/other-sport/speedway-well-what-takes-save-7399044 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I think that the link you have provided refers to fiscal rules in the United States of America, we live in the United Kingdom  The article explains the principle. The principle applies in the UK too, if you want to dig deeper into it... http://uk.practicallaw.com/1-107-6319 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Handbag Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014    Retention of title is quite a bit more complicated than that in reality and only applies to goods you may have supplied. A supplier has no right to seize anything he likes to cover a debt. It is unlikely the GRA supplied the shale so they would not, at this stage, have had jurisdiction to sell it. There is a process to go through before they could dispose of items left on their property by a company in liquidation, which as far as I am aware hasn't even happened yet Very true. I'm talking about the legal concept of retention of title though, rather than the practical application of it.   Check out the concept of"lein" - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Lein  It would allow the GRA to effectively hold property to ransom til their debts are cleared. Well nobody holds a debenture over Birmingham Brummies Ltd floating assets, so it could be enforced. The costs associated though would be extensive, when compared to the amount that GRA are owed. I would speculate that it is far more likely that they would simply wash their hands of the sport, as they have done at many other tracks if the position wasn't resolved to their satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry The Cat Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Looks like the fat lady is about to start singing! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Looks like the fat lady is about to start singing! Â Â Explain yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Â Explain yourself? You have never heard of the expression "it`s not over until the fat lady sings"- I think Barry the cat(he normally knows what time of day it is) is saying that time has run out for the Brummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Looks like the fat lady is about to start singing! Â I assume you might be referring to the 2014 EL Fat Lady, rather than any 2015 PL slimmed down version???? Â That would be a shame with all the other positive reports/rumours etc. Edited July 10, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I assume you might be referring to the 2014 EL Fat Lady, rather than any 2015 PL slimmed down version???? Â That would be a shame with all the other positive reports/rumours etc. I think he means completely, the Brummies are no longer in existence I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Looks like the fat lady is about to start singing! Â What makes you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Looks like the fat lady is about to start singing! Â Â We have until Monday...... Very true. I'm talking about the legal concept of retention of title though, rather than the practical application of it. Â Â Well nobody holds a debenture over Birmingham Brummies Ltd floating assets, so it could be enforced. The costs associated though would be extensive, when compared to the amount that GRA are owed. I would speculate that it is far more likely that they would simply wash their hands of the sport, as they have done at many other tracks if the position wasn't resolved to their satisfaction. Â Hence the reason for the fighting fund, if the GRA are the obstacle it could go part way to funding the gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 KEEP THE FAITH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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