crescent girl Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Berwick's e-Newsletter this morning confirms Matej Kus a doubt for weekend matches. Bandits have indeed lined up Thomas Jorgensen as a guest tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Something a bit dodgy here, Kus had his full allocation of rides in Czech last night but then not over here for the next 3, interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 No news of a guest replacement from Berwick this morning, on the official Sheffield it names Kus in the Berwick team. SHEFFIELD: Simon Stead, Taylor Poole, Leigh Lanham, Andre Compton, Ty Proctor, Simon Nielsen, Josh Bates. BERWICK: Claus Vissing, Rider replacement for Matthew Wethers, Steen Jensen, David Bellego, Kevin Doolan, Liam Carr, Matej Kus. you need to take some time and read the Berwick Newsletter,it states Jorgenson is riding as a guest for Kus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Something a bit dodgy here, Kus had his full allocation of rides in Czech last night but then not over here for the next 3, interesting.... Not dodgy at all. Under the 7-day medical regulation, he has to be signed off as fit to resume before he can race again in Britain. He obviously isn't. Incidentally, Ales Dryml had his full allocation of rides at Peterborough last night, but has withdrawn from their team for next three days. Interesting things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerowl Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 This is not a pop at Berwick by any means as all teams seem to be at it, pushing the rules to the limit to gain an advantage. If Matej Kus was fit enough to ride in Czecho last night (and I haven't had confirmation that he did) then Berwick should not be allowed a guest facility. Many track are complaining about the numbers on the terraces going down and down, but is it any wonder when the sport treats itself as a circus with some riders riding for three different teams in the UK every week before stuff like this happens. Jorgensen for Kus makes the outcome of the aggregate score pretty much a formality if Jorgensen rides like he did a couple of weeks ago. I am sure some people will think its not worth bothering attending and once again another nail is hammered into the coffin of British speedway by the person croaking for life inside the box. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Not dodgy at all. Under the 7-day medical regulation, he has to be signed off as fit to resume before he can race again in Britain. He obviously isn't. Incidentally, Ales Dryml had his full allocation of rides at Peterborough last night, but has withdrawn from their team for next three days. Interesting things happen. To be fair, Dryml did hit the 4th bend fence pretty hard in his 3rd ride last night and was in the ambulance getting treatment after the meeting finished. Edited June 26, 2014 by Tigerite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 This is not a pop at Berwick by any means as all teams seem to be at it, pushing the rules to the limit to gain an advantage. If Matej Kus was fit enough to ride in Czecho last night (and I haven't had confirmation that he did) then Berwick should not be allowed a guest facility. Many track are complaining about the numbers on the terraces going down and down, but is it any wonder when the sport treats itself as a circus with some riders riding for three different teams in the UK every week before stuff like this happens. Jorgensen for Kus makes the outcome of the aggregate score pretty much a formality if Jorgensen rides like he did a couple of weeks ago. I am sure some people will think its not worth bothering attending and once again another nail is hammered into the coffin of British speedway by the person croaking for life inside the box. Have to agree Berwick aren't breaking any rules but the sport cannot be taken seriously as aTeam Competition.This is why fans couldn't care less,and are walking away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 This is not a pop at Berwick by any means as all teams seem to be at it, pushing the rules to the limit to gain an advantage. If Matej Kus was fit enough to ride in Czecho last night (and I haven't had confirmation that he did) then Berwick should not be allowed a guest facility. Many track are complaining about the numbers on the terraces going down and down, but is it any wonder when the sport treats itself as a circus with some riders riding for three different teams in the UK every week before stuff like this happens. Jorgensen for Kus makes the outcome of the aggregate score pretty much a formality if Jorgensen rides like he did a couple of weeks ago. I am sure some people will think its not worth bothering attending and once again another nail is hammered into the coffin of British speedway by the person croaking for life inside the box. Your post is reasoned, although it might be argued that if fit, Matej Kus would probably continue to be a potent reserve and equal any scoring Thomas Jorgensen may achieve tonight. Berwick should not be thought to be pushing rules to gain advantage, to lose their high-scoring reserve for three meetings is a body-blow. The SCB rules state a non-speedway injury (Kus was taken ill on Saturday, not injured) requires a seven-day recovery period and medical clearance has to be obtained before riding again (in an SCB/BSPA event). Racing in a domestic event overseas, while foolhardy (and when were speedway riders ever else?) is outwith the authority of the SCB/BSPA, and our own regulations still require his being re-examined and declared fit before he can resume riding here. The Berwick e-Newsletter explains he has spoken to Ian Rae this morning, and is not feeling 100% (little wonder, if he tried riding last night while under the weather) and therefore must stand down. Clearly, he is not yet fit and should not resume as yet. Tough for Matej, and for the Bandits, but safer for all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerowl Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Your reply is also reasoned. My point is not that Matej or the Bandits are doing anything wrong by any means and if he is not fit, then so be it. I agree that he would be a threat at reserve as well. The point I was trying to make is that while ever these rules are in place, people get sick and tired of the sport and vote with their feet. I can't think of any other team sport that benefits from team members being ill or injured and it is stuff likes this that means the tracks are struggling to pull in the crowds. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Something a bit dodgy here, Kus had his full allocation of rides in Czech last night but then not over here for the next 3, interesting.... In fairness he may well have ridden (See he retired in last ride) but he could still have suffered a set back overnight. No doubt if Bandits have not done things right they will be told? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Not dodgy at all. Under the 7-day medical regulation, he has to be signed off as fit to resume before he can race again in Britain. He obviously isn't. Incidentally, Ales Dryml had his full allocation of rides at Peterborough last night, but has withdrawn from their team for next three days. Interesting things happen. Very strange state of affairs this, if Kus has been stood down for medical reason's by the BSPA from riding in the UK then how can the authorities in the Czech Republic override that decision and allow him to race there, surely the reasons given in the UK should be on a Worldwide enforcement standing, just how ill is ill and who makes that decision? If rider safety is supposed to be paramount then how can this type of situation be allowed to arise, your either unfit to race or you aren't? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Your post is reasoned, although it might be argued that if fit, Matej Kus would probably continue to be a potent reserve and equal any scoring Thomas Jorgensen may achieve tonight. Berwick should not be thought to be pushing rules to gain advantage, to lose their high-scoring reserve for three meetings is a body-blow.The SCB rules state a non-speedway injury (Kus was taken ill on Saturday, not injured) requires a seven-day recovery period and medical clearance has to be obtained before riding again (in an SCB/BSPA event).Racing in a domestic event overseas, while foolhardy (and when were speedway riders ever else?) is outwith the authority of the SCB/BSPA, and our own regulations still require his being re-examined and declared fit before he can resume riding here.The Berwick e-Newsletter explains he has spoken to Ian Rae this morning, and is not feeling 100% (little wonder, if he tried riding last night while under the weather) and therefore must stand down.Clearly, he is not yet fit and should not resume as yet. Tough for Matej, and for the Bandits, but safer for all concerned.It was earlier stated that the 7day rule for non- speedway injuries can be flexible if they thought no malpractices were involved ,and could be overruled if the rider passed a medical before resuming riding.Which one is correct.Re Smod post in Berwick vRedcar.Smod seems knowledgeable in Berwick Affairs IMO#270 Edited June 26, 2014 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Have to agree Berwick aren't breaking any rules but the sport cannot be taken seriously as aTeam Competition.This is why fans couldn't care less,and are walking away. Absolutely, if Kus rode last night then its difficult to see why Berwick are allowed a guest tonight, not unless there`s differing degrees of fitness needed in different Countries, as you say its difficult to take this sport seriously at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Duppcomic Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Not like he struggled last night. A good score against tough opposition. Legal or not it stinks Berwick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Not like he struggled last night. A good score against tough opposition. Legal or not it stinks Berwick. Why oh why, would Berwick not want Matej not to ride, on his current form he would hsave easily scored at least 12 points from 6 rides. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Not like he struggled last night. A good score against tough opposition. Legal or not it stinks Berwick.Once again you can only blame the rules ,Dryml missing 3 meetings after a good score last night. Dryml and Kus say they are injured what else can be done (I am not saying they are not,before the usual mob jump in).Teams only play by the rules,it's just the rules that stink IMO . Why oh why, would Berwick not want Matej not to ride, on his current form he would hsave easily scored at least 12 points from 6 rides. I agree don't think Berwick gain anything from Kus not riding especially at reserve.R/r for Wethers is more of a concern as he is 4th in the averages. Edited June 26, 2014 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Kus has scored paid 11, 12, 6 & 8 on his last 4 visits to Owlerton while in the top 5 and against sides stronger than the current Sheffield team. He has also done that while short on confidence and in form far worse than he is currently in It is a hindrance to Berwick to be without him rather than an advantage Edited June 26, 2014 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Once again you can only blame the rules ,Dryml missing 3 meetings after a good score last night. Dryml and Kus say they are injured what else can be done (I am not saying they are not,before the usual mob jump in).Teams only play by the rules,it's just the rules that stink IMO . I agree don't think Berwick gain anything from Kus not riding especially at reserve.R/r for Wethers is more of a concern as he is 4th in the averages. Agree, but his earlier form that placed him there, has changed dramatically of late, he is now riding much closer to his starting average, so, should be able to cover him easily wit r/r. Kus has scored paid 11, 12, 6 & 8 on his last 4 visits to Owlerton while in the top 5 and against sides stronger than the current Sheffield team. He has also done that while short on confidence and in form far worse than he is currently in It is a hindrance to Berwick to be without him rather than an advantage Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Berwick's e-Newsletter this morning confirms Matej Kus a doubt for weekend matches. Bandits have indeed lined up Thomas Jorgensen as a guest tonight. Not dodgy at all. Under the 7-day medical regulation, he has to be signed off as fit to resume before he can race again in Britain. He obviously isn't. Incidentally, Ales Dryml had his full allocation of rides at Peterborough last night, but has withdrawn from their team for next three days. Interesting things happen. Your post is reasoned, although it might be argued that if fit, Matej Kus would probably continue to be a potent reserve and equal any scoring Thomas Jorgensen may achieve tonight. Berwick should not be thought to be pushing rules to gain advantage, to lose their high-scoring reserve for three meetings is a body-blow. The Berwick e-Newsletter explains he has spoken to Ian Rae this morning, and is not feeling 100% (little wonder, if he tried riding last night while under the weather) and therefore must stand down. Clearly, he is not yet fit and should not resume as yet. Tough for Matej, and for the Bandits, but safer for all concerned. According to the updates Matej Kus riders for Berwick, its a miracle I tell a true blue miracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 According to the updates Matej Kus riders for Berwick, its a miracle I tell a true blue miracle. Can someone pass on to updaters (I dont have access) it surely Jorgensen at 7 for Berwick ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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