wilsonpaul198 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 How do we improve the set up of British speedway?? Surely we cannot continue to race across 5 nights per week. We want the best riders all of the time not some of the time. Sat meeting at Leicester v Swindon was a joke!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 A problem with the one night fits all Speedway clubs is that it won't....... Dogs, Stock Cars, Rugby, Football, Bangers are all present at some clubs, so that's not a straightforward option, absolutely tons of ground work will need doing before that could ever be considered..... You only need a track or two with dog racing (landlords) to decide to change or add a race meeting and it'll all fall apart.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Surely you could do it twice a week.... say a Monday and Thursday so doesn't clash (as much) with foreign leagues? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Surely you could do it twice a week.... say a Monday and Thursday so doesn't clash (as much) with foreign leagues? What when Poole & Kings Lynn ride on Wednesday's & they are the biggest 2 teams in British speedway. Well that is apart from having your heat leaders as asetts at Kings Lynn of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 This problem should have been sorted long ago. I appreciate the issues with greyhound landlords, but surely a compromise could be reached. After all, the landlords wouldn't want to lose the out on the rent implications. I believe there are quite a few problems with the way our sport is governed but racing every night of the week is the biggest one. The other major countries run on specific days and we have to fall in line. We are forever moaning about the lack of top riders over here. If we get the schedule sorted, more riders would come on board...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobblytriers Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Could we put all of the premier and elite teams together, and then form two leagues of roughly equal numbers with promotion and relegation? The top division could have one top rider (current elite?) per team. I say that because todays Elite isn't really that elite is it? Alot of top riders don't ride here anyway so there's not that many to go round. No doubling up/down of riders for both leagues. Have a third league, todays NL, and allow doubling up/down between that and League two. Have two fixed race nights and use those to ride weekly at home and away. Scrap the current tacticle rule. Watching the Swedish league last night was far better with the old style T/R rule in my opinion. 6 points down and put in anyone you want but each rider can only have one T/R ride per meeting. No T/R's in the reserves race. Get the riders out for each race as the last one finishes and stop them going back to the pits after tape infringements. Keep it moving. I'm not sure about extreme type presentation like some are saying the sport needs. If you go too far you might loose as many as you might gain. Just make the facilities presentable, the refreshments value for money, the breaks interesting and the racing entertaining. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 To be fair there are a lot of teams that cannot race on any other day than what they do now on a regular basis due to restrictions imposed by the local authorities................. What is really needed and I have said this loads of times is for promoters to get out and do what they are there to do and that is promote and not just sit on their backsides expecting the world to come to them............... Get out into the community and talk to the people............make it a night of entertainment instead of just 15 heats...........get the powers to be to be forward thinking instead of living in the past...........may be even have an independent body to run the sport.............. Whatever happens something needs to be done and fast............ RP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 To be fair there are a lot of teams that cannot race on any other day than what they do now on a regular basis due to restrictions imposed by the local authorities................. Are there really though? I've heard this anecdotally, but has anyone actually researched which clubs simply cannot ride on certain nights due to clashes or planning restrictions? I think it should either be: Elite - Wednesday and Thursday Premier - Friday and Saturday National - Tuesday and Sunday or bite the bullet and have one large Premier League split on a regional basis with a North v South play-off for the league title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 What when Poole & Kings Lynn ride on Wednesday's & they are the biggest 2 teams in British speedway. Well that is apart from having your heat leaders as asetts at Kings Lynn of course can you explain how k.lynn are the biggest team in british speedway? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 can you explain how k.lynn are the biggest team in british speedway? They own their own stadium for starters which not many others so that makes them a big club. It was a bit tongue in cheek really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 They own their own stadium for starters which not many others so that makes them a big club. It was a bit tongue in cheek really. no probs, just thort it bit funny as k.lynn never won title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Surely you could do it twice a week.... say a Monday and Thursday so doesn't clash (as much) with foreign leagues? If we want the top boys back and a really meaningful EL then we have to fall in line with Sweden/Poland/Denmark. Not that it will happen as most promotions are only interested in their own needs first and foremost. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverstars Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Lynn may not be the biggest team but we and Poole are probably amongst the best run clubs with regards to operating on a sound financial basis with solid support(except when its on sky).Also we have a great track which is well prepared every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 If we want the top boys back and a really meaningful EL then we have to fall in line with Sweden/Poland/Denmark. Not that it will happen as most promotions are only interested in their own needs first and foremost. If we want the top boys back, we have to pay top boy dollar as well, so you have to have decent crowd numbers at a reasonable admission fee, or small crowd and high admission fee.. At the moment with the admission fees as they are, there's not enough full adult paying fans to support more than 1 maybe 2 too riders, except for the likes of Poole, Kings Lynn and maybe Coventry and Leicester. To pay 50 points to a home team, with 3 top dollar boys, 2 second strings and 2 fast track reserves, what's the cost? True cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 If we want the top boys back, we have to pay top boy dollar as well, so you have to have decent crowd numbers at a reasonable admission fee, or small crowd and high admission fee.. At the moment with the admission fees as they are, there's not enough full adult paying fans to support more than 1 maybe 2 too riders, except for the likes of Poole, Kings Lynn and maybe Coventry and Leicester. To pay 50 points to a home team, with 3 top dollar boys, 2 second strings and 2 fast track reserves, what's the cost? True cost? Prices have gone up with inflation which is in stark contrast to EL teams going weaker. I don't think its rocket science to suggest that bringing back the top boys will help increase numbers on the terraces as that is what a lot of the stay aways have been saying they want to happen. I don't think promoters dare ask fans to pay more than they are now, not for the reduced standard and quality of the teams. However by looking at the bigger picture surely the promoters can see same night racing + big stars back = bigger attendances?? Will it cost more?? Probably but if that is the price needed to tempt people back to watching on the terraces then it surely is worth pushing for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 no probs, just thort it bit funny as k.lynn never won title Think they will this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 To be fair there are a lot of teams that cannot race on any other day than what they do now on a regular basis due to restrictions imposed by the local authorities................. What is really needed and I have said this loads of times is for promoters to get out and do what they are there to do and that is promote and not just sit on their backsides expecting the world to come to them............... Get out into the community and talk to the people............make it a night of entertainment instead of just 15 heats...........get the powers to be to be forward thinking instead of living in the past...........may be even have an independent body to run the sport.............. Whatever happens something needs to be done and fast............ RP That is all relevant stuff but all the promoting in the world is useless if riders keep missing meetings. People are absolutely fed up with guests and R/R. Our fixture scheduling needs to be much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 If we want the top boys back and a really meaningful EL then we have to fall in line with Sweden/Poland/Denmark. Not that it will happen as most promotions are only interested in their own needs first and foremost. Nobody said they wanted the big boys back (although that would be nice). What we should have is value for money, regular racing, teams without guests and RR, affordable prices, ENTERTAINMENT. Sadly I don't think the BSPA have the solution to dwindling crowds as their latest ideas haven't exactly improved the value for money need and is nothing but more cost cutting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Nobody said they wanted the big boys back (although that would be nice). What we should have is value for money, regular racing, teams without guests and RR, affordable prices, ENTERTAINMENT. Sadly I don't think the BSPA have the solution to dwindling crowds as their latest ideas haven't exactly improved the value for money need and is nothing but more cost cutting! I would kind of like the big boys back... I say we copy the Polish model and crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 The sport is too expensive for the riders so they want more. This is passed down to promoters who pass it on to the customer who decide that the sport is not worth the cost and stop going. This means the promoter loses money and increases the cost for the remaining customers whilst cutting back on team strengths to try and save money. These two factors cause the customer to re-evaluate the entertainment against cost and realise that speedway is not giving anything for the extra revenue it demands and so more people stop going. Many that still go pick and choose meetings and many more prefer to watch their team on TV when that is available. So less people mean less revenue to promoters so they increase costs to customers and so the cycle goes on and on. How a dying sport can be run like this is frankly unbelievable. If that is not a recipe for oblivion etc etc. But not to worry the National Stadium is just around the corner and that should solve all of speedways many problems. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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