Robinh88 Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 2002 We lost at home to Edinburgh with Peter Carr scoring a maximum 2003 Got utterly pounded by Sheffield 37-53 again at home These sort of scores happen I didn't envisage Berwick beating Plymouth so easily at the SBA. Kings Lynn generally who were immaculate at home season in season out in 2008 got beaten similarly by 20 points off Birmingham. Stars ended up 3rd behind Edin and Somerset These scores happen, the 2 meetings above were both poor performances but a good team will re-find the winning formula. If we don't, well we have actually managed to keep our season alive past may which in essence is progress for our management team. Ref K Doolan - While people say Doolan is finished he achieved at 7.5 return last season riding in 3 or 4 of those races with Lasse Bjerre. Doolan is instantly employable assuming he sees the season out 5.5 average. Most teams in the league will want his services Ii have a feeling Doolan if let go would re-find his form and be a cracking signing on a average say 2 points less than his starting average for us this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Got it one looking to ride UK no doubt we will miss out on a talent yet again. Sure I read somewhere Jakobsen still studying at College and cant commit to UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBSC Posted June 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 We could go on for another 10 pages on this thread at the end of the day it will not change last nights result. Truth is we were well beat off a so called weakened team very impressed with Bjerre and Ostergaard plus good performance by Barrett. Speaking to some of the Panthers riders after the meeting they actually praised the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Waiting for that old codger on the centre green to come out off the loo , at his age it take a wee bit longer these days Assume you mean Dick Barrie? I travel all over GB watching Speedway and in fairness he has faults but I have not heard many if any better on Centre Green. Some of the folks employed all over are totally inept. Personally I think one chap in box is enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Speaking to some of the Panthers riders after the meeting they actually praised the track. They'd been at the dump the night before remember , they were probably happy to have a bit of room to move 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Assume you mean Dick Barrie? I travel all over GB watching Speedway and in fairness he has faults but I have not heard many if any better on Centre Green. Some of the folks employed all over are totally inept. Personally I think one chap in box is enough I'd agree with that , poking fun at Dick is just a bit of fun Speaking to some of the Panthers riders after the meeting they actually praised the track. The track was just like a home from home for them last night nice and deep with plenty of shale on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Time to lock this thread, sweep it under the carpet and move on IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Time to lock this thread, sweep it under the carpet and move on IMO like the paramedic one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Not been for a few weeks but last night another concern apart from other things highlighted on here was attendance level! I dont think a club can survive on that? Dont know what crowd was but there did not look 500. Apart from last night things have been ok to a level this season. You have a team which looked capable of a top six spot but to survive in any professional sport you need money through the gates. We're all suffering that way . The crowd at Glasgow last week was about the same as you described last night's attendance to be , and i cant imagine a meeting against Plymouth today will attract any more than that . Unfortunately a north/south split seems inevitable as fans cant afford to travel great distances anymore and the local meetings are the only ones that can generate a decent attendance level now . This is the real concern way ahead of rider performance and track preparation. The product has to be right, of course, and I do think we need at least one change to make use of the points. But we should step back and look at the countless threads on here. The majority are complaining about the sport, promotion bashing, and occasional rider bashing. One of my mates who came along is a motorsports freak. He enjoyed it enough to come back; he did recognise it wasn't one of the best meetings, although the Panthers and Claus gave us a few heats of good racing. He did wonder why people commented about the track so much, he actually found it very strange. He thought that it is the same for both teams, so what is the big deal? This will inevitably wear down those running the clubs for whom it actually looks like they are fighting a losing battle. The sad thing is it is the fans who are creating the battle with a barrage of negativity, and not coming through the gates. I bring a couple of people new to the sport last night and on here I get disparaging comments about it. I certainly don't want a medal for it, but at least I am trying in my own small way to address part of the problems that I can. It's almost as if fans actually want the sport to close down. Maybe that is what they want? Now, I agree, speedway has a lot of problems, but we - as fans - can address one of them by coming along and supporting our team. If we can't do that, then I guess we just have to accept that slowly but surely the sport will become extinct in the country, because if we don't come through those turnstiles, it will be gone forever. P.S. Jim, that is my real life opinion, in case you are wondering. P.P.S. A pleasure to meet proud panther last night, and well done to the Panthers with some hungry aggressive racing. Edited June 29, 2014 by bigeddiechek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 We could go on for another 10 pages on this thread at the end of the day it will not change last nights result. Truth is we were well beat off a so called weakened team very impressed with Bjerre and Ostergaard plus good performance by Barrett. Speaking to some of the Panthers riders after the meeting they actually praised the track. Having rattled up 50+ pts they`re hardly going to slate the place. Wonder if our riders thought the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 This is the real concern way ahead of rider performance and track preparation. The product has to be right, of course, and I do think we need at least one change to make use of the points. But we should step back and look at the countless threads on here. The majority are complaining about the sport, promotion bashing, and occasional rider bashing. One of my mates who came along is a motorsports freak. He enjoyed it enough to come back; he did recognise it wasn't one of the best meetings, although the Panthers and Claus gave us a few heats of good racing. He did wonder why people commented about the track so much, he actually found it very strange. He thought that it is the same for both teams, so what is the big deal? This will inevitably wear down those running the clubs for whom it actually looks like they are fighting a losing battle. The sad thing is it is the fans who are creating the battle with a barrage of negativity, and not coming through the gates. I bring a couple of people new to the sport last night and on here I get disparaging comments about it. I certainly don't want a medal for it, but at least I am trying in my own small way to address part of the problems that I can. It's almost as if fans actually want the sport to close down. Maybe that is what they want? Now, I agree, speedway has a lot of problems, but we - as fans - can address one of them by coming along and supporting our team. If we can't do that, then I guess we just have to accept that slowly but surely the sport will become extinct in the country, because if we don't come through those turnstiles, it will be gone forever. P.S. Jim, that is my real life opinion, in case you are wondering. P.P.S. A pleasure to meet proud panther last night, and well done to the Panthers with some hungry aggressive racing. Are you still paying £20 entry biged?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Are you still paying £20 entry biged?? I still spend that, short reply as I am bloody knackered after my previous tome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I still spend that, short reply as I am bloody knackered after my previous tome. That all??.... Tight as a fishes arse!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 That all??.... Tight as a fishes arse!! Sometimes more when I'm feeling decadent and have a pie for pudding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) This is the real concern way ahead of rider performance and track preparation. The product has to be right, of course, and I do think we need at least one change to make use of the points. But we should step back and look at the countless threads on here. The majority are complaining about the sport, promotion bashing, and occasional rider bashing. One of my mates who came along is a motorsports freak. He enjoyed it enough to come back; he did recognise it wasn't one of the best meetings, although the Panthers and Claus gave us a few heats of good racing. He did wonder why people commented about the track so much, he actually found it very strange. He thought that it is the same for both teams, so what is the big deal? This will inevitably wear down those running the clubs for whom it actually looks like they are fighting a losing battle. The sad thing is it is the fans who are creating the battle with a barrage of negativity, and not coming through the gates. I bring a couple of people new to the sport last night and on here I get disparaging comments about it. I certainly don't want a medal for it, but at least I am trying in my own small way to address part of the problems that I can. It's almost as if fans actually want the sport to close down. Maybe that is what they want? Now, I agree, speedway has a lot of problems, but we - as fans - can address one of them by coming along and supporting our team. If we can't do that, then I guess we just have to accept that slowly but surely the sport will become extinct in the country, because if we don't come through those turnstiles, it will be gone forever. P.S. Jim, that is my real life opinion, in case you are wondering. P.P.S. A pleasure to meet proud panther last night, and well done to the Panthers with some hungry aggressive racing. I am glad that you have clarified your "real life opinion" as you would not like to get it mixed up with your "forum" opinion.Unlike yourself I have only 1 opinion "an honest one " and say what I am thinking on subjects and I respect other posters comments as it is a Forum.Ps Fans have to pay money to watch Speedway if they think the product is poor why should they keep turning up.(my opinion) Edited June 29, 2014 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 This is the real concern way ahead of rider performance and track preparation. The product has to be right, of course, and I do think we need at least one change to make use of the points. But we should step back and look at the countless threads on here. The majority are complaining about the sport, promotion bashing, and occasional rider bashing. One of my mates who came along is a motorsports freak. He enjoyed it enough to come back; he did recognise it wasn't one of the best meetings, although the Panthers and Claus gave us a few heats of good racing. He did wonder why people commented about the track so much, he actually found it very strange. He thought that it is the same for both teams, so what is the big deal? This will inevitably wear down those running the clubs for whom it actually looks like they are fighting a losing battle. The sad thing is it is the fans who are creating the battle with a barrage of negativity, and not coming through the gates. I bring a couple of people new to the sport last night and on here I get disparaging comments about it. I certainly don't want a medal for it, but at least I am trying in my own small way to address part of the problems that I can. It's almost as if fans actually want the sport to close down. Maybe that is what they want? Now, I agree, speedway has a lot of problems, but we - as fans - can address one of them by coming along and supporting our team. If we can't do that, then I guess we just have to accept that slowly but surely the sport will become extinct in the country, because if we don't come through those turnstiles, it will be gone forever. I agree about making a change though just because we have the points to do so shouldn't be the sole reason, riders poor performances is more of a concern. It seems Doolan`s the one getting the most criticism, to be fair to him he did score 7pts, his average is just slightly less, there are other areas of the team causing concern to. Agree about the product needing to be right, which for me is the most frustrating part, we see the promotion making huge efforts when there is a FIM or Sky meeting and are rewarded with a big crowd. Surely that effort should be made week in week out, I don't suggest that we will see the kind of attendances we see for the bigger meetings, but there must be a way of getting those floating fans at Shielfield on a more regular bases. Also a big part of the product of course is the track, thorny subject I know, so far this year the track has been good and the entertainment served worth the admission, sadly that hasn't been the case of the last couple of weeks, that leaves some feeling short changed as they know the potential Shielfield has. Agree that fans who can get along on a regular bases should do, but you have to give them something worth watching, not just a Berwick but Country wide over all three leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) If Ryan Fisher refinds his Edinburgh form, the Panthers will be a real outfit, Blackbird has been tremendous this season Well done to them, they did the job and more Edited June 29, 2014 by BeastfromtheEast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I take your points, Screm, and agree, but what do we do differently for the FIM meetings as oppossed to domestic meetings? I really don't see that much difference. When it comes to track conditions, you know by now that I rarely comment on it as - to be completely honest - I really do not understand it. Believe it or not I lectured on soil mechanics for a bit at University, and it is one of the most complex, unpredictable materials to work with. I would imagine that it is nigh impossible to have any track the same week in week out, although having it fundamentally similar should be achievable: but I really don't understand it. As long as riders are competitive, then I am happy regardless of the result. Last night too many of us weren't, and that is something that really shouldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 If Ryan Fisher refinds his Edinburgh form, the Panthers will be a real outfit, Blackbird has been tremendous this season Well done to them, they did the job and more IMO on paper a full strength Panthers have the best line up in PL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I am glad that you have clarified your "real life opinion" as you would not like to get it mixed up with your "forum" opinion.Unlike yourself I have only 1 opinion "an honest one " and say what I am thinking on subjects and I respect other posters comments as it is a Forum. Ps Fans have to pay money to watch Speedway if they think the product is poor why should they keep turning up.(my opinion) Wow right there, are you alleging some have one opinion on a Saturday night at the speedway, and then another on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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