bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Wow right there, are you alleging some have one opinion on a Saturday night at the speedway, and then another on here. Well, you do know this isn't real life: is it? If Jim is referring to me being disappointed with the result and some of the performances, then that is true. In terms of enjoying my night at the speedway, well I did: but I have said on here many times, I enjoy the banter and meeting up with speedway pals. Maybe that is why the "speedway haters" don't enjoy it? They don't get the banter part of it? Maybe the conversation all evening is about the track and how terrible the product is? If that were the case for me, I certainly wouldn't enjoy it, and I guess I wouldn't go. I just don't see any point coming on here and being critical, when I can air my views in real life. Maybe I just don't get that? There are lots of good things about the club and I prefer to spend most of my time talking about what I enjoy rather than obsessively greeting about dirt, grass, clay, wood, whatever surface a sport is being played on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I take your points, Screm, and agree, but what do we do differently for the FIM meetings as oppossed to domestic meetings? I really don't see that much difference. When it comes to track conditions, you know by now that I rarely comment on it as - to be completely honest - I really do not understand it. Believe it or not I lectured on soil mechanics for a bit at University, and it is one of the most complex, unpredictable materials to work with. I would imagine that it is nigh impossible to have any track the same week in week out, although having it fundamentally similar should be achievable: but I really don't understand it. As long as riders are competitive, then I am happy regardless of the result. Last night too many of us weren't, and that is something that really shouldn't happen. Track prep by some is seen as a dark art, and like you I don't pretend to have any definitive answers, I just comment on what I see. Over the last couple of weeks I have seen two poor race meetings, where riders at times have struggled to cope. Up till then the racing had been good, if the track guys have been trying something new, it hasn't worked IMO and we need to get back to where it was. Well, you do know this isn't real life: is it? If Jim is referring to me being disappointed with the result and some of the performances, then that is true. In terms of enjoying my night at the speedway, well I did: but I have said on here many times, I enjoy the banter and meeting up with speedway pals. Maybe that is why the "speedway haters" don't enjoy it? They don't get the banter part of it? Maybe the conversation all evening is about the track and how terrible the product is? If that were the case for me, I certainly wouldn't enjoy it, and I guess I wouldn't go. I just don't see any point coming on here and being critical, when I can air my views in real life. Maybe I just don't get that? There are lots of good things about the club and I prefer to spend most of my time talking about what I enjoy rather than obsessively greeting about dirt, grass, clay, wood, whatever surface a sport is being played on. All fair points, but doesn't it enhance your evening knowing you`ve just seen a cracking nights speedway, for much of this season that has been the case and speaking personally I have been keen to get back the following. week. Reading through post meeting opinions from last night I`m wondering whether some will bother with next week, which is sad as once you start losing your diehards your in bother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 All fair points, but doesn't it enhance your evening knowing you`ve just seen a cracking nights speedway, for much of this season that has been the case and speaking personally I have been keen to get back the following. week. Reading through post meeting opinions from last night I`m wondering whether some will bother with next week, which is sad as once you start losing your diehards your in bother. Yes, of course it does, and by quite a bit. I do agree that after the last 2 meetings a lot of people might not be too inspired to come back. Whingeing on here will do nothing to help that, is my real point. It doesn't achieve anything. Speaking to the promotion and providing constructive criticism is a much better approach, and they are always open to that, in my experience. I'm pretty sure they will have seen things the same way as we did on Saturday. I still haven't seen anyone on here that has criticised the track give an explanation of the process they would use to improve preparation. I'd love to see someone explain it to me, genuinely interested. Rather than make and observation that the track is sh#ite, why not say what they would do differently to make sure it isn't sh#te. The only reason I can think of is that they don't know and just really like a good old gurn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I still haven't seen anyone on here that has criticised the track give an explanation of the process they would use to improve preparation. I'd love to see someone explain it to me, genuinely interested. Rather than make and observation that the track is sh#ite, why not say what they would do differently to make sure it isn't sh#te. The only reason I can think of is that they don't know and just really like a good old gurn. I haven't criticesed the track as such but made the observation thay the P'boro riders adapted to it better than Berwick did, no matter what the track conditions are as professional speedway riders they should be able to adapt the set ups etc to suit. The track is never going to be exactly how all 7 riders want it each week, however the home track will always be the same shape and size which in itself should at least give some home advantage? its not up to the fans to advise on track preparation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Ref K Doolan - While people say Doolan is finished he achieved at 7.5 return last season riding in 3 or 4 of those races with Lasse Bjerre. Doolan is instantly employable assuming he sees the season out 5.5 average. Most teams in the league will want his services Ii have a feeling Doolan if let go would re-find his form and be a cracking signing on a average say 2 points less than his starting average for us this year.I'd gladly take him at Rye House in place of Tres, but wouldn't fit in average wise unfortunately, unless we swooped the ever injured Stefan Nielsen and replaced him with a 3 pointer Edited June 29, 2014 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I haven't criticesed the track as such but made the observation thay the P'boro riders adapted to it better than Berwick did, no matter what the track conditions are as professional speedway riders they should be able to adapt the set ups etc to suit. The track is never going to be exactly how all 7 riders want it each week, however the home track will always be the same shape and size which in itself should at least give some home advantage? its not up to the fans to advise on track preparation.Your point is a valid one,that being the case Berwick better get some riders that can adjust their set -ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Good to see Bellego must have been back on the best bikes in Poland today scoring 10 pts for Ostrow, must of just been on a bag of nails last night, good to see where his priorities are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Good to see Bellego must have been back on the best bikes in Poland today scoring 10 pts for Ostrow, must of just been on a bag of nails last night, good to see where his priorities are. Bit unfair on Bellego, in general he has done well this season and top scored for Berwick last Thursday at Sheffield, though he was poor last night. Whatever was wrong with his kit last night needs to be worked on this week so it is in tip top condition for 7pm next Saturday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Hardly a surprise, ostrow probably get 5-6,000 a home match. Best track in the world 500 folk at Berwick and we still can't produce a consistant race surface. As we have spoken about when Bellego fancies it he could easily net 12-13 points at Shielfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 I haven't criticised the track as such but made the observation they the P'boro riders adapted to it better than Berwick did, no matter what the track conditions are as professional speedway riders they should be able to adapt the set ups etc to suit. The track is never going to be exactly how all 7 riders want it each week, however the home track will always be the same shape and size which in itself should at least give some home advantage? its not up to the fans to advise on track preparation. Firstly, I didn't say that you have criticised the track, furthermore, I have never suggested that fans should advise on track preparation. I don't understand the dark art, and stated that I would genuinely be interested if anyone on here could shed some light on how it is done. I'm sure there will be some folk on here that do. Moving on from that, I completely agree with your post. Our riders know the shape, size, and topography of the track as an initial advantage. This should give them a head start over the opposition when it comes to adapting to surface conditions. Peterborough seemed to have no problem with that last night. Your point is a valid one,that being the case Berwick better get some riders that can adjust their set -ups. Agree. I think last night might be a wake-up call that we might not be able to continue the early start without some "adjustments". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Hardly a surprise, ostrow probably get 5-6,000 a home match. Best track in the world 500 folk at Berwick and we still can't produce a consistant race surface. As we have spoken about when Bellego fancies it he could easily net 12-13 points at Shielfield good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITISHSPEEDPOWER Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Good to see Bellego must have been back on the best bikes in Poland today scoring 10 pts for Ostrow, must of just been on a bag of nails last night, good to see where his priorities are. Its about the first time he's ever let Berwick down, 17 points at Sheffield and in 48 hours his bikes are in eastern europe!! His problems were either electrical or carb issues, christ man the guy has one duff meeting and he's Satan!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Well he's certainly not the bloody saviour either... what planet do some fans live on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITISHSPEEDPOWER Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Well he's certainly not the bloody saviour either... what planet do some fans live on Was not a comparison, unlike some i don't live in the world of duality. Planet earth myself, don't know about you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Bellego seems to have better consistency on the foreign tracks Coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Its about the first time he's ever let Berwick down, 17 points at Sheffield and in 48 hours his bikes are in eastern europe!! His problems were either electrical or carb issues, christ man the guy has one duff meeting and he's Satan!!! Well said! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRITISHSPEEDPOWER Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Bellego seems to have better consistency on the foreign tracks Coincidence? Cos he's foreign 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnob Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Empty lives = empty heads ;-) Leave Bellago alone! one crappy night is allowed in life you know! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Cos he's foreign Touché! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Panthers riders I spoke to afterwards said that they struggled with the 3rd & 4th bends, because the surface was very patchy, & a bit bumpy. Why did Berwick have an interval when it was trying to rain ? Credit to all the riders, who gave 100 % in every race. Team spirit seems to have been good all weekend, & I think our new manager deserves the credit for that. Nice to meet bigeddiecheck, a proper speedway fan, & gentleman. Good to see Claus ok after his 2 falls. Wish we had signed him instead of Fisher at the start of the meeting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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