screm Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 In one way it was a good thing that an ambulance was called for Matej as at the time of Matty's crash it was still in the car park so was able to get to him quicker if this had not been the case the meeting would have not even got to heat 10 This could be the answer going forward, get a rider to take turns in being ill, we then have a County ambulance at the track and the meeting can continue, jobs a goodun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Well, your first post didn't get things off to a good start then. http://www.berwickbandits.co/article/bandits-boss-apologises Nowhere on this statement does it state that the paramedic wasn't under the influence of alcohol. In fact it clearly states he was not suffering from a physical illness at all. He took a phone call and subsequently was unwell. A Berwick rider then tweeted that the paramedic was drunk. Would it not seem logical to say that the paramedic took a phone call, had a drink to calm himself down and then subsequently collapsed as a result. It's difficult to draw any conclusion from the statement from Berwick as it says a lot, but there's a lot it doesn't say which in itself, say's a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Nowhere on this statement does it state that the paramedic wasn't under the influence of alcohol. In fact it clearly states he was not suffering from a physical illness at all. He took a phone call and subsequently was unwell. A Berwick rider then tweeted that the paramedic was drunk. Would it not seem logical to say that the paramedic took a phone call, had a drink to calm himself down and then subsequently collapsed as a result. It's difficult to draw any conclusion from the statement from Berwick as it says a lot, but there's a lot it doesn't say which in itself, say's a lot. Think it was a Redcar rider who tweeted Like others have said it time to end this story. Nothing is going to change now. Edited June 24, 2014 by Catch Me If You Can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Think it was a Redcar rider who tweeted Like others have said it time to end this story. Nothing is going to change now. your right,,, the Doc's will always have some for 'medicinal purposes',,, 'what makes you bad, makes you better' and all that ;-) Edited June 24, 2014 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Think it was a Redcar rider who tweeted Like others have said it time to end this story. Nothing is going to change now. Sorry - it was Richard Lawson. But why is it time to end the story? Obviously this event had a massive impact upon the match on Saturday night. If we don't know what caused the upset we can't fix it. Will the BSPA be informed? Will this potentially be used to make the sport safer and better in the future? Perhaps we should breathalyse all riders and safety officials prior to a match starting. There are many things to discuss and just because you don't want to discuss them for some reason is no reason for the debate to end. After all, one of the first rules of medicine is that if you don't know the cause, you can't find prescribe a cure. If you really don't want to discuss further, then simply don't read this thread. It's easily done, just don't click on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Think it was a Redcar rider who tweeted Like others have said it time to end this story. Nothing is going to change now.if it hadn't happend at Berwick you wouldn't even have bothered posting no doubt ..... Major issues have been raised, why do you not want them discussed?? Or sorted??.... A very strange stance to adopt as if it's a non story.... Lessons need learning, or a rider needs to explain himself ... Surely?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Looks like Speedway goes for the cheap and cheerful basic Medical cover, last year at rye house a rider was badly injured, only to find out that the drugs carried by the ambulance were out of date and could not be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 So far everything on here is pure SPECULATION & CONSPIRACY THEORY. If we were debating FACT, then an on going debate is a reasonable course. Until we have Fact, a word to the wise, some posts on here are open to legal repercussions, on those grounds time to drop the sublect (for now). Remenber the poor guy who thought it was funny to say he wanted to put a bomb under the staff of an airport, he new it was 'tongue in cheek' , the airport authorities didn't see the funny side of it, and it ended up in court. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Agree Taffy, this thread needs to be taken down. It has been officially stated that the guy is having a difficult time (without going into too many details). A bit of respect, and back on to speedway is what is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Agree Taffy, this thread needs to be taken down. It has been officially stated that the guy is having a difficult time (without going into too many details). A bit of respect, and back on to speedway is what is needed. No the truth is what is needed not a statement that appears to pretty much concur with Richard Lawsons opinion albeit thinly disguised 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 No the truth is what is needed not a statement that appears to pretty much concur with Richard Lawsons opinion albeit thinly disguised It does not, which backs up my point, PURE CONSPIRACY THEORY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 It does not, which backs up my point, PURE CONSPIRACY THEORY If the facts are not available then we can only take the known facts and attempt to map a logical and correct sequence of events that match the known facts. This is what is referred to as deduction. There are no legal repercussions in discussin an incident and putting forward an opinion based on the evidence available. As long as they are based as an opinion and not as factual evidence then we just about have the right to free speech. So saying that there are legal repercussions is factually incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 We may never learn the full truth of what happened here. However - to my mind - it is up to the Speedway Authorities to fully investigate what went on with this unfortunate incident. They must then act accordingly to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. A Rider's LIFE may depend on it. Meanwhile - most of what has been discussed on here is just pure conjecture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Meanwhile - most of what has been discussed on here is just pure conjecture. Like what?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Like what?? Like the allegations made about various people - by various people. I'm not getting involved in this discussion apart from my earlier intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Anything that reflects badly on Speedway, is always pushed into the pure conjecture folder, weather it's sex, drugs or rock n roll, almost like the Forum is policed by someone in Rugby! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe the club have not made a mass thing of this because it could have gone one of two ways. If they had come out and said that the paramedic was not intoxicated, Richard Lawson would be facing a major backlash right now... If he was, it's gonna look so $h1t and a major embarassment for everyone at Berwick.. I fully believe, that considering all the work that has been done to turn us around into a now respected club, if anything does need investigated/has been investigated, it will be dealt with/has been dealt with away from the public... After what happened last season with Ricky, knowing how much it emotionally hurt everyone at the club, there is no way that they would take ANY risk with rider safety! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsplint Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Looks like Speedway goes for the cheap and cheerful basic Medical cover, last year at rye house a rider was badly injured, only to find out that the drugs carried by the ambulance were out of date and could not be used. I can assure you this is not the case at Berwick, the cover is well above the minimum laid down by the BSPA all the equipment used is serviced regularly and the senior paramedic keeps a good check on the drugs. The main reason that there is not 2 medics at Berwick is mainly to do with the location and the lack of personel in the area, for some reason the local doctors have never wanted to cover speedway I can remember the problems there was at berrington and we used to get Carlo and his people from Borders coming down to cover the track also we used to get docs from Alnwick this is when Dr Fortune got involved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe the club have not made a mass thing of this because it could have gone one of two ways. If they had come out and said that the paramedic was not intoxicated, Richard Lawson would be facing a major backlash right now... If he was, it's gonna look so $h1t and a major embarassment for everyone at Berwick.. I fully believe, that considering all the work that has been done to turn us around into a now respected club, if anything does need investigated/has been investigated, it will be dealt with/has been dealt with away from the public... After what happened last season with Ricky, knowing how much it emotionally hurt everyone at the club, there is no way that they would take ANY risk with rider safety! You mean Berwick Speedway have attempted to brush the whole thing under the carpet? That's how it looks to a lot of folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 You mean Berwick Speedway have attempted to brush the whole thing under the carpet? That's how it looks to a lot of folks. It can look that way to a lot of folks all it wants to... I DO believe that people will damn them either way whatever happens.. 1. Either they could come out and call Richard Lawson a blatant liar (thus creating another frenzy on here) and people probably thinking the club are trying to deflect all the heat away from them or 2. It would come out the paramedic was "intoxicated" and people come and sink their teeth in even more... As I said, damned either way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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