Jacques Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 True. That's how I became a Bees fan after supporting the visiting teams for about three years from 1984. It's shocking to think now that I probably even supported Poole at Brandon. Did you think this would sneak under the radar Mrs Gemini!! Tut tut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 robert72, could you please answer the question I asked. I would be interested to read your view on numbers needed at BP to make it pay?? As you appear to be setting robert72 up so you can say he's wrong, maybe you could just give us the correct answer. As you appear to be setting robert72 up so you can say he's wrong, maybe you could just give us the correct answer. [/quote I am not setting him up at all !! He made the comment about it not being viable, so I take it he knows how many fans are needed to make it pay? I do not know, but I am interested in what he has to say. You tell me as you seem so certain you know better than me. I await your numbers. I do not claim to know anything better than you !! You said there were not enough fans left to make it viable, I just asked the question how many in your opinion was needed to make it profitable? You made the statement so I was assuming you could back up your argument? Clearly you can not, or you would of given a reasonable response by now!! Not a stupid idea that I am trying to catch you out in some way!! Typical, make a sweeping statement but can not back up what you say?? Come on robert72, I am waiting !!! Or have you gone into hiding?? Its a straight forward question, no catches, no naughty motive. Would just like to hear how many people you think are needed at BP to make it viable or profitable ? DH has said on BSP sight roughly how many were at the meetings against Coventry and Wolves. Do you think that is enough? Or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Come on robert72, I am waiting !!! Or have you gone into hiding?? Its a straight forward question, no catches, no naughty motive. Would just like to hear how many people you think are needed at BP to make it viable or profitable ? DH has said on BSP sight roughly how many were at the meetings against Coventry and Wolves. Do you think that is enough? Or not? who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 who cares?I care !!! You clearly did as you had a go at me in an earlier post!! But as I thought you are both full of it until challenged!! All mouth and nothing to back it up !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) I care !!! You clearly did as you had a go at me in an earlier post!! But as I thought you are both full of it until challenged!! All mouth and nothing to back it up !!if you are satisfied with the status quo fine,I'm not and that is fine too.....what do you mean about all mouth and nothing to back it up?......the tracks crap and anybody who knows speedway knows that to be true,end of.The whole country will see how bad it is when sky come to town! Edited June 30, 2014 by mrcts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 if you are satisfied with the status quo fine,I'm not and that is fine too.....what do you mean about all mouth and nothing to back it up?......the tracks crap and anybody who knows speedway knows that to be true,end of.The whole country will see how bad it is when sky come to town!Never said I was happy with everything!! I am not, and have said it before. All mouth from robert72, he makes a very bold statement and when challenged he hides!! It was a simple question from me and he has run away, instead of backing up what he said. Do you think it is viable or profitable with the current crowed levels? My point is if he knows so much about it then just give me some figures, poss points money, shale costs, staff costs ect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Well, I'm not Robert but at the moment I'd say Leicester is running with a good profit every week and has been since the track opened. I'm sure Robert will answer eventually with all the facts and figures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Never said I was happy with everything!! I am not, and have said it before. All mouth from robert72, he makes a very bold statement and when challenged he hides!! It was a simple question from me and he has run away, instead of backing up what he said. Do you think it is viable or profitable with the current crowed levels? My point is if he knows so much about it then just give me some figures, poss points money, shale costs, staff costs ect.I totally agree,the crowd levels are pretty good......but just think how many more they would get if the track was more conducive to competitive racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonpaul198 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Come on robert72, I am waiting !!! Or have you gone into hiding?? Its a straight forward question, no catches, no naughty motive. Would just like to hear how many people you think are needed at BP to make it viable or profitable ? DH has said on BSP sight roughly how many were at the meetings against Coventry and Wolves. Do you think that is enough? Or not? OK I"ll have a go. I"m sure that all you smart a.... will tell me im talking rubbish. In my opinion for Leicester lions.............. 2000 attendance x £16= £32,000 (top heavy. no concessions). 4 francishes maybe £250 each = £1000. Programmes,50/50 draw,shop and club bar, maybe £3000. So on an average night income maybe £36,000. So maybe on average £400 per point to top 5 riders and £150 per point for FTR. Home win with possibly 5 bonus points at ave £150. So total points pay for 47 point win, 40 from top 5 and 7 from reserve = £18,000. If the pounds per is less then the profit more!! Don't forget sponsorship,TV money. No issues with promoters etc making a profit for all their hard work but again,were is the transparity?? WHAT YOU ALL THINK LOL ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Come on robert72, I am waiting !!! Or have you gone into hiding?? Its a straight forward question, no catches, no naughty motive. Would just like to hear how many people you think are needed at BP to make it viable or profitable ? DH has said on BSP sight roughly how many were at the meetings against Coventry and Wolves. Do you think that is enough? Or not? OK I"ll have a go. I"m sure that all you smart a.... will tell me im talking rubbish. In my opinion for Leicester lions.............. 2000 attendance x £16= £32,000 (top heavy. no concessions). 4 francishes maybe £250 each = £1000. Programmes,50/50 draw,shop and club bar, maybe £3000. So on an average night income maybe £36,000. So maybe on average £400 per point to top 5 riders and £150 per point for FTR. Home win with possibly 5 bonus points at ave £150. So total points pay for 47 point win, 40 from top 5 and 7 from reserve = £18,000. If the pounds per is less then the profit more!! Don't forget sponsorship,TV money. No issues with promoters etc making a profit for all their hard work but again,were is the transparity?? WHAT YOU ALL THINK LOL ??? You forgot VAT?! and all the other costs, staff etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonpaul198 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 You forgot VAT?! and all the other costs, staff etc Yeh course..........unfortunately I"m not an accountant. However I believe 99% staff are volunteers! Even so I believe that all clubs accounts must be visable.!! We need to know whether or not speedway can advance with the correct financing! Or do we end up with a league full of bankrupt clubs. What comes first.....Sustainable speedway or do we buy a bigger bucket of sand to bury our heads????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Speedway finances have ALWAYS been shrouded in some sort of secrecy in this Country...... WHEN was the last time league clubs announced official attendances along with team results?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Speedway finances have ALWAYS been shrouded in some sort of secrecy in this Country...... WHEN was the last time league clubs announced official attendances along with team results?????? They will never do that, too much undeclared cash in their bins .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonpaul198 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Speedway finances have ALWAYS been shrouded in some sort of secrecy in this Country...... WHEN was the last time league clubs announced official attendances along with team results?????? Lets force them..........even if it means contacting Tax dept, Local MP etc I assume all are registered companies???? or do they just deal with cash at the door.... Unacceptable!! I want my speedway structured, successful and totally transparent!!!!! I want the people who are ruining sorry running (slip of the tongue)our sport to be totally accountable. I demand operators to be fit for purpose!!We want our clubs to succeed. They can only do that by being openly accountable!!!! We can only do this together. HOW DO WE BEGIN????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Come on robert72, I am waiting !!! Or have you gone into hiding?? Its a straight forward question, no catches, no naughty motive. Would just like to hear how many people you think are needed at BP to make it viable or profitable ? DH has said on BSP sight roughly how many were at the meetings against Coventry and Wolves. Do you think that is enough? Or not? OK I"ll have a go. I"m sure that all you smart a.... will tell me im talking rubbish. In my opinion for Leicester lions.............. 2000 attendance x £16= £32,000 (top heavy. no concessions). 4 francishes maybe £250 each = £1000. Programmes,50/50 draw,shop and club bar, maybe £3000. So on an average night income maybe £36,000. So maybe on average £400 per point to top 5 riders and £150 per point for FTR. Home win with possibly 5 bonus points at ave £150. So total points pay for 47 point win, 40 from top 5 and 7 from reserve = £18,000. If the pounds per is less then the profit more!! Don't forget sponsorship,TV money. No issues with promoters etc making a profit for all their hard work but again,were is the transparity?? WHAT YOU ALL THINK LOL ??? I think if you're spending 18k on points for home meetings, you're probably speeding 12k at away tracks. Suddenly your profit ain't great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 The profit in speedway these days is just about break even. They may make a few bob, that is if they can get bums on seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for all your replies, gives me an idea what is needed regarding crowed levels. That is all I wanted to know, no catch, just wanted info. Shame Robert72 could not of helped me out. I totally agree,the crowd levels are pretty good......but just think how many more they would get if the track was more conducive to competitive racing.I agree with you about how many could be there if the racing/track was better. But until that happens it must still be supported so there is something left to be changed at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 £1,200 for an EL 1 to 5 for winning a race? You're joking, surely?? Perhaps just maybe in Polish 1st division, but here??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 It has been stated elsewhere think it was on one of the Birmingham forums that the BPSA brought in a rule that the top riders would be limited to £45 a point. with any extra money being made up by sponsers. But I am sure that to get any big names over here then they the promoter have found some way to fiddle this. Because a lot of the big names would surely just turn up thier noses at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 It has been stated elsewhere think it was on one of the Birmingham forums that the BPSA brought in a rule that the top riders would be limited to £45 a point. with any extra money being made up by sponsers. But I am sure that to get any big names over here then they the promoter have found some way to fiddle this. Because a lot of the big names would surely just turn up thier noses at that. Yes, that was in the early 1990's ...... I heard that it was currently a capped points pay limit of around £150 per point for riders 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5.... this season, so a rider getting a 12 point max and ht 15 win would earn a basic nights pay of £2,250 If a rider of a decent calibre, riding home and away in a week in the EL scoring say 12 pts at hone and then say 10 away would gross points pay for the week of £3,300, add to that 5 rides in Poland, 4 rides in Sweden (another (£3,300 say) and he's grossed £6,600 for the week, not bad.. But, and its a big but, add travel costs, mechanics wages, engine services, broken parts, consumables etc and a bigish chunk is quickly eroded off that £6,600 then taxes, insurances, and well, what do you all reckon fellow fans.........??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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