SCB Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 There's a big difference between reckless and daring. I'd happily watch daring racers all day long, but I don't want to see riders who are careless of others' safety. The fact that the three most recent world champions condemned Pedersen via the GP website shows how seriously riders view the subject. Pedersen at his best is great entertainment and he's an engaging personality off-track, but there have to be consequences for riders who put others at risk on the track. Referees need to issue warnings, fines, exclusions and, in the worst cases, bans. Red and yellow cards and maybe a sin bin would add spice to a meeting and perhaps make riders think a little harder. So you have a rider. Lets call him Nick Petersen. He keep winning. So a bunch of riders who are mates decide to call him out as dirty and get him banned. He's not longer winning is he - they have a laugh they have been able to get him banned. You can't have riders calling for other riders to be banned. Refrees get things wrong. Would you have banned Woffy for wiping out Gollob last year? Or when he crashed into Nicki? What about when Tai got injured at Cardiff? Was Freddie dirty? Nicki thinks that was Woffys fault anyway so what if the referee and the riders disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers in Gravy Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 So you have a rider. Lets call him Nick Petersen. He keep winning. So a bunch of riders who are mates decide to call him out as dirty and get him banned. He's not longer winning is he - they have a laugh they have been able to get him banned. You can't have riders calling for other riders to be banned. Refrees get things wrong. Would you have banned Woffy for wiping out Gollob last year? Or when he crashed into Nicki? What about when Tai got injured at Cardiff? Was Freddie dirty? Nicki thinks that was Woffys fault anyway so what if the referee and the riders disagree? All those incidents should be for the referee to judge - as in any serious sport. I know I picked out Nicki, but this should apply to all riders -and the examples you gave are good ones. Speedway is too dangerous not to have a proper disciplinary procedure that is clear to competitors, officials and the public. I don't want to see riders banned as a matter of routine, but public warnings, yellow cards and the threat of exclusions or bans as a last resort would add to rider safety and provide extra talking points. Can't see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 A bit far fetched in my opinion, just train up competent referees that will take responsibility... In speedway there is too much arse licking and favouritism ..... So it will never work, plus money talks or the lack of it. You're right, it is far fetched but I'm just stating we can not have referees throwing riders out for dangerous riding. It's a tough call to say whether there is intent or not. That call can only be judged by a panel imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 There's a fine line between riding on the edge and being out of control. Therein lies the problem. Not only is it a fine line but who decides where the line is drawn ? We already have lots of near 50/50 calls as it is (Bomber and Scott last Monday being a classic example) and once you start deciding whether a move was hard riding or dangerous you will get all kinds of inconsistencies with some riders thrown out when they should arguably stay in and others being kept in when they should go out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Dear me.. Talk about blowing things out of proportion again. The sport has done just fine for 70 plus years without the need to ban riders for racing incidents. There have been hundreds of incidents over the years far worse than the Pedersen/Zagar incident that didn't produce anything like the hysteria. I have only ever seen one rider blatantly deliberately fence another and that was Zagar so for him to bleat about it is hypocritical in the extreme. Monster,BSI etc have cottoned on to some excellent marketing/publicity over all this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 I have only ever seen one rider blatantly deliberately fence another and that was Zagar . was that buzz burrows ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Dear me.. Talk about blowing things out of proportion again. The sport has done just fine for 70 plus years without the need to ban riders for racing incidents. There have been hundreds of incidents over the years far worse than the Pedersen/Zagar incident that didn't produce anything like the hysteria. I have only ever seen one rider blatantly deliberately fence another and that was Zagar so for him to bleat about it is hypocritical in the extreme. Monster,BSI etc have cottoned on to some excellent marketing/publicity over all this. I totally agree with everything you have said you nailed it for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 was that buzz burrows ? Yes, despicable move. Were you riding that night Dean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 What's happened to Davey Watt? He was taken out by Smolinski. He has suffered from 2 fractured vertibrea. V3 and V5. He may be out for 6 weeks or more. This stubid riding has to be stopped. Not sure what actually happened but I am sure someone can tell us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnSRsSxdp4s See for yourself. From what I can tell though, most cerainly not Smolis fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Yes, despicable move. Were you riding that night Dean? no but i was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 See for yourself. From what I can tell though, most cerainly not Smolis fault. Difficult angle but don't see how Smolinski can be blamed for"taking him out".just looked like a racing incident Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 no but i was there. Can you imagine if nicki pulled a move like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 See for yourself. From what I can tell though, most cerainly not Smolis fault. How can anyone possibly suggest that was any form of dangerous riding from Smolinski. Madness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 How can anyone possibly suggest that was any form of dangerous riding from Smolinski. Madness. If that had have been on the first bend, first lap, all 4 back would have been the call, impossible to blame Smoli, as Dave Lanning said, "You could throw a blanket over all 4 of them" (not verbatim) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Dunno about banning riders for being dangerous, how about banning them for taking the pi$$? Step up to the mark ... Kevin Wolbert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 How can anyone possibly suggest that was any form of dangerous riding from Smolinski. Madness. An EL rider in the same meeting said it was Smolinskis fault. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Very difficult for those of us that weren't there to make a definitive judgment on the basis of one camera shot from the other side of the track. It does however show how difficult it would be for referees to make decisions on dangerous riding unless they have several camera shots available which of course would be impossible apart from televised meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 A meeting ban and fine is sufficient imo! Nicki would probably need to race in GB with all his Polish Bans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 A meeting ban and fine is sufficient imo! Nicki would probably need to race in GB with all his Polish Bans Exactly. Throw a few out of meetings and fine them and the worst offenders would calm down a bit. There are too few riders to go round as it is to ban people. Ban someone then the same people who moaned about Nicki P would whinge about guests when it happened to their team. Nicki was a knobhead and so was Matty for spitting on him. Slag them off by all means as they deserve it but ban them? That is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Nicki went for a gap that he thought was there, but for centimetres of his foot rest he would have passed Zagar, I don't think for one minute his intention was to knock him off... At the end of the day it's a world championship, do you accept no points or bust a gut to gain a point, that's the difference between Nicki, gollob and the rest. I'd rather fall in my sword fighting and scrapping than settling for also ran and never knowing personally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 there is no real need to ban or fine riders, speak to any of the riders and they all know that what goes around comes around, speedway is a small community, they face each other on a failry regular basis over a season or even over a career, where at some time or another the culprit will be in the wrong position at the wrong time. Pointing fingers at which riders some deem dirty and some not is almost laughable, take for instance Hans Andersen, for me he is a dirty rider, but he hasnt even been mentioned.....or if you want a real dirty rider try Ronni Pedersen, he was clinical around Pboro in his hey day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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