weatherwatcher Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 He was taken out by Smolinski. He has suffered from 2 fractured vertibrea. V3 and V5. He may be out for 6 weeks or more. This stubid riding has to be stopped. Not sure what actually happened but I am sure someone can tell us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 He was taken out by Smolinski. He has suffered from 2 fractured vertibrea. V3 and V5. He may be out for 6 weeks or more. This stubid riding has to be stopped. Not sure what actually happened but I am sure someone can tell us youve just told us what happend?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 youve just told us what happend??Without seeing it... I've read about two red cards over past two years. The other was Miedzinski finishing Emil in polish league and the other one was someone else. Consistency between refs world wide is the problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Who would you rather pay money to go and watch Nicki Pedersen and Darcy Ward or Greg Hancock and Jarek Hampel . Speedway always has loved to revel and heap derision on it's so called bad guys in equal measures . We need the bad guys to put bums on seats . Was Glasgow v Edinburgh a tastier contest when it was Parker v Fisher , you bet it was . Edited June 20, 2014 by Paulco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 So it looks like people would rather go to watch riders that don't give 2 hoots about other riders safety and watch them get slammed into the fence. That is until one of of those riders gets carried off to the morgue. I for one would rather go to see riders that have a little bit of guts about them but in the end give a gare for the other riders. There is a limit to how far you want to call it good riding or being a danger on the track to the other riders. There are far to many bad accidents as seen in the last couple of seasons. You only have to look at some of the injuries. 2 riders last year with brain injuries, and other with bad broken bones. Not only top riders but there have been far to many crashes with the new reserves who are trying way to hard. Kyle Newman springs to mind with some very dangerous over taking manovers, mark my word it will not be long before someone is killed. Would you be the one who wanted to go and tell the parents or wives or girl friends that so and so is dead. I wouldn't. Lets stamp it out now, we can still see good riding without all this kamakazii piolet stuff. Lets keep the riders safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 So it looks like people would rather go to watch riders that don't give 2 hoots about other riders safety and watch them get slammed into the fence. That is until one of of those riders gets carried off to the morgue. I for one would rather go to see riders that have a little bit of guts about them but in the end give a gare for the other riders. There is a limit to how far you want to call it good riding or being a danger on the track to the other riders. There are far to many bad accidents as seen in the last couple of seasons. You only have to look at some of the injuries. 2 riders last year with brain injuries, and other with bad broken bones. Not only top riders but there have been far to many crashes with the new reserves who are trying way to hard. Kyle Newman springs to mind with some very dangerous over taking manovers, mark my word it will not be long before someone is killed. Would you be the one who wanted to go and tell the parents or wives or girl friends that so and so is dead. I wouldn't. Lets stamp it out now, we can still see good riding without all this kamakazii piolet stuff. Lets keep the riders safe. Dont think anyone is saying that , far from it actually . As speedway fans we get thrilled by riders fighting their way to the front from the back , that in itself carries certain risks . Despite your ridiculous post , i dont believe for a minute riders go out to fence other riders . Ok you get the odd inappropriate rush of blood to the head , but in general there is total respect between the riders 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I've read about two red cards over past two years. The other was Miedzinski finishing Emil in polish league and the other one was someone else. Consistency between refs world wide is the problem here. Whats the rule though, or is this under the fact that a Speedway referee's can pretty much do what they want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflyingkiwi Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I remember at Wimbledon when they raced Carmathen and Cory Blackman (I think) was disqualified from his next ride due to his actions during one race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I remember at Wimbledon when they raced Carmathen and Cory Blackman (I think) was disqualified from his next ride due to his actions during one race.I've never heard of that before . I'm not disputing it , but i've only heard of referees throwing riders out of the rest of a meeting , not just the one race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 The card system is a great idea but- To do this every track has to have TV replays available at all tracks. We can't rely on referees making correct calls. At the meeting's referees can only issue yellow cards. If a rider receives 2 or more yellow cards then the video evidence is sent to an independent panel to review (a little like F1). If the panel deem the rider dangerous they're issued a red card and suspended for 3 matches. Clubs that have a suspended rider can only use a guest with a 20% lower average. 3 red cards in a season under 1 organisation i.e. SGP, SEC, British, Swedish, Polish league etc would result in a 6 month Worldwide suspension. Meeting referees can only issue red cards for violent conduct. I repeat though, this can only be achieved with full meeting recordings, not just some dude with a camcorder and an independent panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) With the european championship trying to lure away riders from the GP's i dont think the FIM is in a position to start dishing out bans to riders in the GP's Edited June 21, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkox Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Rubbish idea. I will happily pay money to watch Nicki Pedersen. But would you happily race against Nicki Pedersen?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 But would you happily race against Nicki Pedersen?? i would and have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 The card system is a great idea but- To do this every track has to have TV replays available at all tracks. We can't rely on referees making correct calls. At the meeting's referees can only issue yellow cards. If a rider receives 2 or more yellow cards then the video evidence is sent to an independent panel to review (a little like F1). If the panel deem the rider dangerous they're issued a red card and suspended for 3 matches. Clubs that have a suspended rider can only use a guest with a 20% lower average. 3 red cards in a season under 1 organisation i.e. SGP, SEC, British, Swedish, Polish league etc would result in a 6 month Worldwide suspension. Meeting referees can only issue red cards for violent conduct. I repeat though, this can only be achieved with full meeting recordings, not just some dude with a camcorder and an independent panel A bit far fetched in my opinion, just train up competent referees that will take responsibility... In speedway there is too much arse licking and favouritism ..... So it will never work, plus money talks or the lack of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) He was taken out by Smolinski. He has suffered from 2 fractured vertibrea. V3 and V5. He may be out for 6 weeks or more. This stubid riding has to be stopped. Not sure what actually happened but I am sure someone can tell us How do you justify this comment when you conceded you are not sure what happened? IMO a typical BSF 'response to something - anything goes! Edited June 21, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 How do you justify this comment when you conceded you are not sure what happened? IMO a typical BSF 'response to something - anything goes! It's called jumping on the bandwagon whilst jumping to conclusions based on others say so 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 There are a lot of people lynching NP on Twatter and Face Ache which I think is bang out of order, Pedersens achievements in the world of Speedway speak for them self, he is a born racer and races hard and fast he is a hard racer not a dirty one. I have seen some riders getting in on the slate Pedersen band wagon but them riders in question have done some hard moves them self, at the end of the day they are racing to be the world champion not some tin pot easter individual. People continue to think Pedersen is some vile human being but truth be known he is far from that most that make these assumptions have never even met the bloke but I have and he was nothing but a pure gentleman very friendly and polite. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Sorry, don't agree. While I respect NP's achievements as a 3 time World Champion, he doesn't appear to show any consideration for the safety of others with his back straight- 3rd bend dive bombs. There's a fine line between riding on the edge and being out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Sorry, don't agree. While I respect NP's achievements as a 3 time World Champion, he doesn't appear to show any consideration for the safety of others with his back straight- 3rd bend dive bombs. There's a fine line between riding on the edge and being out of control. did gollob show consideration for others when he often did similar??.... Did Hans?? To name 2. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers in Gravy Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 There's a big difference between reckless and daring. I'd happily watch daring racers all day long, but I don't want to see riders who are careless of others' safety. The fact that the three most recent world champions condemned Pedersen via the GP website shows how seriously riders view the subject. Pedersen at his best is great entertainment and he's an engaging personality off-track, but there have to be consequences for riders who put others at risk on the track. Referees need to issue warnings, fines, exclusions and, in the worst cases, bans. Red and yellow cards and maybe a sin bin would add spice to a meeting and perhaps make riders think a little harder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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