Banning Dangerous Riders

[Star Lady]

Following the Nicki/Zagar incident in the GP and the accident to Davey Watt.

 

Some riders are calling for yellow and red cards for dangerous riding, with bans resulting from that.

 

I'm all for curbing dangerous riding but does this rely too much on referees who let's face it are less than consistent domestically let alone getting consistency world wide.

 

I assume if a rider was banned there would be an appeal system, would this just rely on the referee or other officials or should riders also at the meeting be allowed an opinion.

 

 

[Ommer Mon]

Certainly some of Nicki's infamous dive bombs into turns can only be classed as dangerous. You either let him through or end up in the fence.

 

I think bans for a period of time would be difficult to implement. The decision can only be with the referee and as you say they can be inconsistent.

 

One way of doing it perhaps would be to look at what happens in a meeting. I have always thought it very unfair when your rider has been fenced and is out of the rest of the meeting that the culprit, who has been excluded for unfair riding, only misses one race and is then back to beat your reserves later in the match.In these circumstances I think referees should exclude riders for the rest of the match to even things out.

 

Perhaps if you get a couple of these in a season the case could be referred to some kind of independent tribunal (if that is possible in Speedway)to decide further action.

 

You then have the dilemma of whether the ban would only apply in one country or across the world and whether it would include GPs etc.

 

Not an easy one.

[ch958]

Following the Nicki/Zagar incident in the GP and the accident to Davey Watt.

 

Some riders are calling for yellow and red cards for dangerous riding, with bans resulting from that.

 

I'm all for curbing dangerous riding but does this rely too much on referees who let's face it are less than consistent domestically let alone getting consistency world wide.

 

I assume if a rider was banned there would be an appeal system, would this just rely on the referee or other officials or should riders also at the meeting be allowed an opinion.

 

 

which ones?where did you read that?

[Fromafar]

which ones?where did you read that?

Speedway star this week goes into some depth regarding thi matter and Hampel is quoted that red and yellow cards would help this matter

[StevePark]

Theoreticaly the 'red card' is already available to referees. It has been implemented in the past (not very often, though).

[Fromafar]

Theoreticaly the 'red card' is already available to referees. It has been implemented in the past (not very often, though).

It is but is that in GB or is it an F.I.M.ruling.I don't know

[Star Lady]

which ones?where did you read that?

Rory and Hans Andersen on Twitter today and as others have sai in the SS.

[montie]

Speedway star this week goes into some depth regarding thi matter and Hampel is quoted that red and yellow cards would help this matter

 

 

Yes but Hampel would love that being a gating tart and cant pass wind

 

you wanna kill what little racing we have dish out red cards!!!

[John Leslie]

Seems a bit over the top, considering we're only talking about one dangerous rider.

 

Certainly other riders have made dangerous moves in the past and others will do in the future, but they're usually isolated incidents. I can only think of the one rider who consistently makes dangerous moves.

 

Asking for new rules and red cards just because of one miscreant seems a bit of an over-reaction

[Star Lady]

I think we are talking about at least 2. Nicki in the GP and I guess Smolinski in the German meeting where Davey Watt was injured. Surely one is one too many. At present there doesn't seem to be any deterrent.

[Chewbacca]

Rubbish idea.

 

I will happily pay money to watch Nicki Pedersen.

 

I wouldn't watch Davey Watt race in my back garden for free

[Arson fire]

Name a rider that has never done something dangerous??.... Hans Anderson has a cheek some of the moves he's pulled over the years lol

[baba]

Name a rider that has never done something dangerous??.... Hans Anderson has a cheek some of the moves he's pulled over the years lol

Steve Lawsons a good shout

[Arson fire]

Steve Lawsons a good shout

so is robbo, a good fair respeced rider.... But I've seen him be unintentionally dangerous (IMO)on occasion.

[montie]

so is robbo, a good fair respeced rider.... But I've seen him be unintentionally dangerous (IMO)on occasion.

 

of course he has,hes a racer,and long may may he continue,, the folk who normally come up with these ideas are wannabe journalist so low down the pecking order have to write about speedway

 

All because,in the race for the WC a rider who isnt scared to have a go,tries to make a pass on a rider who if is at the back gives up on the second lap

[Fromafar]

Yes but Hampel would love that being a gating tart and cant pass wind

 

you wanna kill what little racing we have dish out red cards!!!

I a simply answering a question that another poster queried,based on what I read in Speedway star.

[The White Knight]

The real problem is that it is the Nicki Pedersens of this World that folk want to see. Personally I don't like some of his tactics or behaviour - but I guess, if you want to up your Crowds then you employ a Team of Pedersens.

 

I know that the Crowd at Sunderland was usually pretty good when Jack Millen was in our Team. The problem with characters like these is that they give you what you want - excitement.

 

The thing is that people Love to Hate a Villain and Nicki is definitely one of them.

[sandwichspeedwayfan]

My Main issue with Pedersen is he fails to apologise when he is dangerous - the incident with Zagar was coming from about lap 2 he was diving inside him every bend. I am all close racing and hard riding the fans want to see it, but it seems strange that he is always involved in these incidents. So the proposed idea could be tried out.

The other issue with Pedersen is in his press conference he says he has never punched anyone - but he has ran Emil Sayfutdinov repeatedly into the fence after a race in Copenhagen (2012) and did the same with Andersen in Cardiff (2010) after they did moves which he'd be proud of. it seems he's happy to dish out hard riding but not take it

[weatherwatcher]

I personally agree with this idea. The riders that pull off this stupid manovers that could threaten the lives on the fact that the rider could be so badly injured that he could never ride again. We need to stamp out this dangerous riding by a very few stupid individuals.

Some people like to see it and say it just part of the racing. But to cut someone up and take thier racicing line with no opion other than to go into the fence or bail off the bike if you have time, ifs far from sporting. Some of these riders are riding against each other week in week out in different leagues throughout the world.

I hope it is not only a matter of time before one of them retaliate and hit back at a rider that has treated them badly at another meeting and sending them crashing out to cause terrible damage or even killing them.

It as got to be stopped before it has gone to far

[Shale Searcher]

What's happened to Davey Watt?