screm Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Think given what has been said on here already he would have been best saying nowt I agree with you, as I posted earlier today I`m much more interested in what Berwick will do to avoid the long periods of no track action when we are waiting for the transfer of an injured rider to the County ambulance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Speedways a dying sport as it is and instances like this will be the final nails in the coffin. Calling off a meeting 10 days before it's s'posed to run due to a football match on TV when you've had 4 months notice doesn't help the cause either. Edited June 22, 2014 by Shadders 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Calling off a meeting 10 days before it's s'posed to run due to a football match on TV when you've had 4 months notice doesn't help the cause either. Your right, though that could be opening a whole new can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Calling off a meeting 10 days before it's s'posed to run due to a football match on TV when you've had 4 months notice doesn't help the cause either.maybe havy didn't know the World Cup was on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Your right, though that could be opening a whole new can of worms. Hardly a can of worms - think you will find most Redcar fans thought the promotion were wrong at postponing so late and a lot of us said so, both on this Forum and our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 So, in essence, the paramedic was behaving erratically. One of the riders refused treatment from said paramedic because he looked drunk. The paramedic then collapsed. Richard Lawson tweeted that the paramedic was drunk. In America, they have a saying - "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then the chances are, it's a duck". Good job this didn't happen in Newcastle as all the Berwick supported would have been up in arms about it, blaming the track and everything. I guess you reap what you sow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I think some people should be aware that there are several medical conditions that can make someone appear to be drunk when they are in fact not well. I've no idea what happened, but we shouldn't be so quick to shoot people down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Giving the theme of the last few pages, I hate doing this but I would like to make a point about the racing that did happen last night, during which I thought Liam Carr looked far more aggressive than of late and scored decent points in doing so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) All joking aside, speedway clubs just don't have the finances to provide the kind of medical cover necessary for incidents like this. Like it or not speedway in this country is still run on a shoestring budget. The compulsory air fences rule has all but crippled clubs, most having to go cap in hand to their supporters to pay for them. Any additional financial burden will kill it As usual, you make fair point but I do think the consequences of not having adequate cover need to be considered. Incidents like the one at Workington - where the meeting was called off prior to heat 10 - are rare but the cost to the promotion of re-running that meeting would probably pay for additional cover for an entire season. The effect on fans also needs to be considered. As a die hard, I find it annoying but just about tolerable. A newbie, though, sat around waiting for ages - at Rye House last year, it was about 90 minutes delay - would probably be put off altogether and to those who are already becoming disenchanted it would merely hasten their departure. So, in essence, the paramedic was behaving erratically. One of the riders refused treatment from said paramedic because he looked drunk. The paramedic then collapsed. Richard Lawson tweeted that the paramedic was drunk. In America, they have a saying - "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then the chances are, it's a duck". Good job this didn't happen in Newcastle as all the Berwick supported would have been up in arms about it, blaming the track and everything. I guess you reap what you sow. Just because he looked drunk doesn't mean he was drunk and its extremely serious to make such an allegation without knowing it for sure. It could easily be that his behaviour was due to illness. He almost certainly wasn't swigging medical alcohol during the meeting, so if what Lawson has said is true he must have been inebriated before hand. You would have thought that others would have noticed it and reported it to the match referee given the potentially lethal consequences. Screm is right. This needs to be looked into and a public announcement made. As with the 'health and safety' issue at Peterborough, I somehow doubt if that will happen - especially if it reflects badly on the promotion. If it is the case that Lawson is wrong, he should be heavily fined. Edited June 22, 2014 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I think some people should be aware that there are several medical conditions that can make someone appear to be drunk when they are in fact not well. I've no idea what happened, but we shouldn't be so quick to shoot people down. As many defence lawyers have put forward when a celebrity has been charged with drink driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 As usual, you make fair point but I do think the consequences of not having adequate cover need to be considered. Incidents like the one at Workington - where the meeting was called off prior to heat 10 - are rare but the cost to the promotion of re-running that meeting would probably pay for additional cover for an entire season. The effect on fans also needs to be considered. As a die hard, I find it annoying but just about tolerable. A newbie, though, sat around waiting for ages - at Rye House last year, it was about 90 minutes delay - would probably be put off altogether and to those who are already becoming disenchanted it would merely hasten their departure. Just because he looked drunk doesn't mean he was drunk and its extremely serious to make such an allegation without knowing it for sure. It could easily be that his behaviour was due to illness. He almost certainly wasn't swigging medical alcohol during the meeting, so if what Lawson has said is true he must have been inebriated before hand. You would have thought that others would have noticed it and reported it to the match referee given the potentially lethal consequences. Screm is right. This needs to be looked into and a public announcement made. As with the 'health and safety' issue at Peterborough, I somehow doubt if that will happen - especially if it reflects badly on the promotion. If it is the case that Lawson is wrong, he should be heavily fined. On your first point, IMO this is the issue, namely customers standing around waiting for the meeting to resume, obviously the treatment of any injuries come first, but if there was extra paramedic cover the meeting could continue. Berwick Speedway have taken huge steps forward, especially with their fans in mind, I am sure they will address this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 On your first point, IMO this is the issue, namely customers standing around waiting for the meeting to resume, obviously the treatment of any injuries come first, but if there was extra paramedic cover the meeting could continue. Berwick Speedway have taken huge steps forward, especially with their fans in mind, I am sure they will address this issue. When Ash Birks was injured at Plymouth last season (seriously, as it turned out) the meeting was delayed for 15 minutes while they repaired the fence. Plymouth are one of the teams who have additional cover. I can imagine that the wait at Berwick would be horrendous. Doesn't the county ambulance come from/go to Galashiels ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 As usual, you make fair point but I do think the consequences of not having adequate cover need to be considered. Incidents like the one at Workington - where the meeting was called off prior to heat 10 - are rare but the cost to the promotion of re-running that meeting would probably pay for additional cover for an entire season. The effect on fans also needs to be considered. As a die hard, I find it annoying but just about tolerable. A newbie, though, sat around waiting for ages - at Rye House last year, it was about 90 minutes delay - would probably be put off altogether and to those who are already becoming disenchanted it would merely hasten their departure. Just because he looked drunk doesn't mean he was drunk and its extremely serious to make such an allegation without knowing it for sure. It could easily be that his behaviour was due to illness. He almost certainly wasn't swigging medical alcohol during the meeting, so if what Lawson has said is true he must have been inebriated before hand. You would have thought that others would have noticed it and reported it to the match referee given the potentially lethal consequences. Screm is right. This needs to be looked into and a public announcement made. As with the 'health and safety' issue at Peterborough, I somehow doubt if that will happen - especially if it reflects badly on the promotion. If it is the case that Lawson is wrong, he should be heavily fined. Reading the match report on the Bandits website it looks like there will be no further news on the proceedings as it has been quoted as "one of these nights"and that goodness for Dr Fortune for coming to the rescue.So don't hold your breath on a Management Statement ,it would be nice to know if the riders and the Paramedic are on the mend though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Just because he looked drunk doesn't mean he was drunk and its extremely serious to make such an allegation without knowing it for sure. It could easily be that his behaviour was due to illness. He almost certainly wasn't swigging medical alcohol during the meeting, so if what Lawson has said is true he must have been inebriated before hand. You would have thought that others would have noticed it and reported it to the match referee given the potentially lethal consequences. Screm is right. This needs to be looked into and a public announcement made. If it is the case that Lawson is wrong, he should be heavily fined. And presumably if it wasn't down to illness then Berwick Speedway should be heavily fined and made to recompense those present? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Reading the match report on the Bandits website it looks like there will be no further news on the proceedings as it has been quoted as "one of these nights"and that goodness for Dr Fortune for coming to the rescue.So don't hold your breath on a Management Statement ,it would be nice to know if the riders and the Paramedic are on the mend though. I think you will be proved right. If I were John Anderson, though, I'd be furious if Lawson's remarks were untrue. And presumably if it wasn't down to illness then Berwick Speedway should be heavily fined and made to recompense those present? They are not responsible for the paramedic getting plastered (if indeed that was the case). However, if they ran a meeting knowing that he was I would say they should be more than heavily fined - although I would be both surprised and shocked if they did. The loss to paying customers is irrelevant compared to the totally inadequate cover for the riders. Edited June 22, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 They are not responsible for the paramedic getting plastered (if indeed that was the case) They absolutely are - as the company in charge then any paid (or indeed unpaid) persons operating under their authority are their responsibility. If they failed to take due diligence as to whether persons under their control were fit and able to carry out their assigned duties then they are the ones liable for any litigation and/or law suits resulting as a result of said employee being unable to carry out their assigned duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) When Ash Birks was injured at Plymouth last season (seriously, as it turned out) the meeting was delayed for 15 minutes while they repaired the fence. Plymouth are one of the teams who have additional cover. I can imagine that the wait at Berwick would be horrendous. Doesn't the county ambulance come from/go to Galashiels ? I believe the County Ambulances are at various locations in the County when not in use.In previous incidents sometimes the Ambulance can arrive promptly but we still have a lengthy due to paperwork ect.Being honest even as a diehard supporter I am getting fed up with all the delays if there is a crash ,after all there is a big probability there will be one given the nature of the sport.The situation definately has to be looked into at most Tracks in the Country. Edited June 22, 2014 by Fromafar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsplint Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 When Ash Birks was injured at Plymouth last season (seriously, as it turned out) the meeting was delayed for 15 minutes while they repaired the fence. Plymouth are one of the teams who have additional cover. I can imagine that the wait at Berwick would be horrendous. Doesn't the county ambulance come from/go to Galashiels ? No the ambulance comes from Berwick in fact about 1/2 mile as the crow flies from the track, there are 2 vehciles based here then its Belford then alnwick or we can get support from chirnside over the border never from gala. the main a&e for Berwick is wansbeck but can go to borders or Edinburgh hope this helps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 They absolutely are - as the company in charge then any paid (or indeed unpaid) persons operating under their authority are their responsibility. If they failed to take due diligence as to whether persons under their control were fit and able to carry out their assigned duties then they are the ones liable for any litigation and/or law suits resulting as a result of said employee being unable to carry out their assigned duties. What I meant was they have no control over him prior to the meeting at all. Further, I am not so sure that what you have said is true and would suggest that the responsibility would lie with the paramedic. Only if the promotion were aware that he was unfit are they then culpable. If they were not aware (or had no reason to be suspicious) I would say it would be an unreasonable expectation for them to take proactive measures to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) No the ambulance comes from Berwick in fact about 1/2 mile as the crow flies from the track, there are 2 vehciles based here then its Belford then alnwick or we can get support from chirnside over the border never from gala. the main a&e for Berwick is wansbeck but can go to borders or Edinburgh hope this helps Going by the updates , it wasn't until Kus needed medical assistance that the situation with the paramedic became known . So it would then be reasonable to assume that nobody knew he was under the influence , if he indeed was . Sorry i've put this under the wrong quote , and we no longer seem to have a delete button Edited June 22, 2014 by Paulco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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