stevebrum Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 those 2 i agree are awful choices and have said so.. And someone like Bridger, Barker will do no better either. We are meant to be looking at the next generation!! Lets start NOW!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 theres enough gaps in the speedway calendar these days, the riders you mentioned could be brought together in a series of test match style games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I'd be bitterly disappointed if stead (or king) scored less than eight points, and happy to bet you 50 quid that stead scores more than four. But the same could be said about pretty much any of the candidates. Reasons I would not have picked stead: Cook - younger, brit final runner up, more potential, averaging about the same from the much tougher hl slot. Was disappointing at cardiff BUT only going to cone up against three gp standard riders ar kl. Lambert - half his age, home track, averaging not much less Lawson - younger and averaging a point a meeting more Bridger - over five years younger, averaging more despite some time in hl slot Barker - over five yesrs younger, 3rd in british final. Nothing against stead, I think he will score +/- 2 points of any of those. And if he scores a dozen points and britain win I will admit I was wrong. But surely when there is very little difference between riders at the current time, and very little to lose the selection should at least consider the future. I was wrong. Rosco was right! Stead MOM for me with those critical wins in his first two heats. Congrats team gb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Anyone else man enough to admit their slating of 3 out of the 4 riders picked was a little OTT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Anyone else man enough to admit their slating of 3 out of the 4 riders picked was a little OTT? Why should they? Most people disagreed with the selection because it was stuck in the past and was of no benefit to England/GB at all whatever the result. That still stands. Yes the team rode fantastically together. Yes Stead had a wonderful meeting. The boys did really well to go straight to the final. Will they win it? Most likely NO! If they did it would be one of the most amazing achievements in speedway. Do the other three deserve to be there? Of course, they earned it and only an idiot would deny them a place in the final. But it does us no benefit as regards the future as apart from Tai it's a team firmly rooted in the past. I doubt anyone really thought for one second we were going to finish higher than second and then fail in the PO. But again none of it makes a haporth of difference as regards the teams future prospects. Of course if we won it it would all be worthwhile. I hope we do. But I doubt we will. Still be cheering for the lads all the same but still don't believe any of them apart from Tai should have been there in the first place but ironically was glad they won the KL meeting and cheered myself hoarse as they did it. But then that's speedway for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 If the World cup is an important competition, then surely it should be about the performance here and now, and not about planning a team for the future. So to criticise a selection because it does not blood a load of young riders, who may or may not be good enough one day in the future seems a little peculiar to me. Unless of course you are saying the World cup is some kind of secnd rate competition, in which case by all means stick the kids in. Having said all that, I nearly fell of my chair in shock by the end of the 1st turn of heat 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 If the World cup is an important competition, then surely it should be about the performance here and now, and not about planning a team for the future. So to criticise a selection because it does not blood a load of young riders, who may or may not be good enough one day in the future seems a little peculiar to me. Unless of course you are saying the World cup is some kind of secnd rate competition, in which case by all means stick the kids in. Having said all that, I nearly fell of my chair in shock by the end of the 1st turn of heat 1. Well it doesn't to me but I was expressing MY opinion not YOURS I would have blooded the kids but that's what I thought. I did not think any of Tai's compatriots should have been there. Lot's of teams blood young riders so are they NOT taking it seriously? I bet even Rosco never expected to be in the Final. The point I made still stands but it's all opinion as that is what constitutes a debate. Those of us that called for new blood may seem to have been proven wrong but if and when the team don't win the trophy are GB any further forward? Of course not the Past just did well against a weaker opposition and flattered to deceive. when perhaps it would have been a good idea to throw in the Future and see how they did. Having said all that, I ALSO nearly fell of my chair in shock by the end of the 1st turn of heat 1. Well done the boys as they were not lucky but earned their place in the Final but again it has to be said against weaker opposition than they would have had if Russia were not in a mess and the Aussies were in a tizzy with injury But what the Hell the boys done good and I hope they win the bloody thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I thought Rosco may change it for the final as Stead, King and Worrall do not ride in Poland regularly so may struggle. The top 4 who done brilliantly at KL deserve to keep their places obviously but Bridger who has been racing in Poland for 2 seasons now should have come in for Worrall. Worrall is only in cos Rosco did not like Craig Cooks attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Its a competion! You put your best out! Not about age at all! If your the best we have got you should be in. Otherwise we end up with an Italian type squad or C Cook at the GP! (Just out of their depth) If and when they are the best we can offer they will be in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What has the team selection for GB done in the way of giving experience to the riders of the future, answer absolutely Zilch. Rosco picked this team as a safety first measure, he didn't have the bottle to give a chance to the younger Brits. If this squad finish anywhere other than last in the final it will be a miracle, and we have gained nothing. Perhaps we should be looking beyond the likes of Cook, Barker, etc. and give Lambert, Kerr Ellis Garrity etc the coaching, help and guidance for the future. Too many of the Cook, Barker generation are riding in the comfort zone of the double-up system, and whilst they are doing that they will not progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What has the team selection for GB done in the way of giving experience to the riders of the future, answer absolutely Zilch. Rosco picked this team as a safety first measure, he didn't have the bottle to give a chance to the younger Brits. If this squad finish anywhere other than last in the final it will be a miracle, and we have gained nothing. Perhaps we should be looking beyond the likes of Cook, Barker, etc. and give Lambert, Kerr Ellis Garrity etc the coaching, help and guidance for the future. Too many of the Cook, Barker generation are riding in the comfort zone of the double-up system, and whilst they are doing that they will not progress. Barker is never going to be the answer. I used to think/hope he would but he's found his level now. 6.5 EL rider. While Lambert(see next para), Kerr, Ellis and Garrity are some way off SWC level. It's no good chucking in riders because they're young! They still have to be pretty good. Rob Lambert is the only one I'd have considered using - and if I'm totally honest probably would have done at Lynn but hindsight says that Rosco has got it right IMO. What we should be doing it going to Sweden, Denmark and Poland and riding international challenge meetings against them. Get Cook, Worrall (x2), Howarth, Garrity, Kerr etc out there for these meetings. The SWC is not the place of tests and trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflyingkiwi Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 IMO blooding youngsters in the World Cup would be detrimental to their progression. Like many previous comments have said there needs to be more international meetings on the continent for the younger lot to ride in so not only do they gain International experience but they learn about different tracks. This is a professional sport at the end of the day and that means putting out the best riders that are available, how many other sports would have fielded a team of international novices to gain experience in the world cup? I for one will be getting behind the boys, speedway in this country is on it's ar*e. At least Saturday night and the upcoming Final have provided a little excitement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP22 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Some real rubbish being talked on this thread, whilst it is a long shot team GB have some chance of picking up a medal on Sat so clearly have to pick the best team capable of that, which probably is the one that has been selected. There is no standout younger riders at present that demand a pick at present, and selecting one above the current team just for the sake of "experience" would be hugely disrespectful to there abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Why are people arguing about putting the youngsters in it makes no sense! If people wanted to watch the likes of Kerr and Garrity get beat race after race then go ahead. Surely the aim this year was to make the final at best so put out yout best 4 riders. By all means have them in the pits around the atmosphere but in the 4? NO Speedway is in dire straights in this country lifte only by a British World Champion. Saturday night gave you a buzz back for the sport and if we are in with a squeak of a medal than again it will bring a buzz back which we need over here. What has the team selection for GB done in the way of giving experience to the riders of the future, answer absolutely Zilch. Rosco picked this team as a safety first measure, he didn't have the bottle to give a chance to the younger Brits. If this squad finish anywhere other than last in the final it will be a miracle, and we have gained nothing. Perhaps we should be looking beyond the likes of Cook, Barker, etc. and give Lambert, Kerr Ellis Garrity etc the coaching, help and guidance for the future. Too many of the Cook, Barker generation are riding in the comfort zone of the double-up system, and whilst they are doing that they will not progress. wrong! the riders of the future if at Lynn in the pits will have learnt an awful lot from being around the teams even just watching guys like Tai Hancock and Ward how they go about big meetings. By getting to the final we have possibly even over achieved so yes we have gained something and the youngsters will be a part of the feel good factor around at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Oh dear - I wonder what there was to learn from watching Ward in the pits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Oh dear - I wonder what there was to learn from watching Ward in the pits? How to spit out one's dummy and throw one's toys out of the pram? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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