foamfence Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Oh come on people, Garrity, Blackbird, Lambert, Kerr, Lawson etc... This is World Team Cup, I really hope they make it one day but get real, they are miles away at this level. Draft riders and PL at best - you can not be serious!!! At least two of those selected will be "miles away" why continue to pick failures, it isn't as if we are going to win it? Why not stick with the up and coming riders for a few years? They might fail, but they might also learn and improve, the current lot have had their chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Wheres Kennett???????? Lol good old Middlo Anyways i would have picked the same squad bar 2. Tai, Harris and Cook are 3 certaintys to start with by some way in my opinion King and Barker are the next 2. I then think Stead is fully deserving of being next in line on form this season. Bridger would then possibly be next. That leaves 3 spaces. Kerr deserves to be in there. Then for the last 2 i would have had Lambert and Garrity. It shows how bleak the future is when we have 3 fast track riders in Kerr, Blackbird and Garrity fighting out for a place in the top 10 brits. The problems of British speedway run very deep. I remember British Finals in the 90's where if a National League rider got there they were either a supreme young talent. (Loram and Louis spring to mind) or simply having a good semi final (Martin Goodwin for example) Now we are talking about a GB squad where we have to go to riders like Garrity ( premier league reserve earlier in the season) and Blackbird (not even a heat leader in the premier and not the future either) to make a squad up! Its a poor state of affairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 At least two of those selected will be "miles away" why continue to pick failures, it isn't as if we are going to win it? Why not stick with the up and coming riders for a few years? They might fail, but they might also learn and improve, the current lot have had their chances. We couldn't qualify for the under 21 WTC, so really what would the point be to put them in the senior team. We are debating who should be in the 10 man squad, what is the point of naming 10 when it will be reduced to 4/5 in a couple of weeks. What will they learn from that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 We couldn't qualify for the under 21 WTC, so really what would the point be to put them in the senior team. We are debating who should be in the 10 man squad, what is the point of naming 10 when it will be reduced to 4/5 in a couple of weeks. What will they learn from that? gb probably struggle with strongest 4, so why put weaker riders in? what do they learn 50 yrds at the back?.also, can you imagine how flat the atmosphere would be after 6 races? for tv and the crowd? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 gb probably struggle with strongest 4, so why put weaker riders in? what do they learn 50 yrds at the back?.also, can you imagine how flat the atmosphere would be after 6 races? for tv and the crowd? My point entirely. I really do hope the new lads progress well but they are not ready yet. As far as all the comments regarding riders failing in the past, usually a case of best of an average bunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Wheres Kennett???????? Lol good old Middlo Anyways i would have picked the same squad bar 2. Tai, Harris and Cook are 3 certaintys to start with by some way in my opinion King and Barker are the next 2. I then think Stead is fully deserving of being next in line on form this season. Bridger would then possibly be next. That leaves 3 spaces. Kerr deserves to be in there. Then for the last 2 i would have had Lambert and Garrity. It shows how bleak the future is when we have 3 fast track riders in Kerr, Blackbird and Garrity fighting out for a place in the top 10 brits. The problems of British speedway run very deep. I remember British Finals in the 90's where if a National League rider got there they were either a supreme young talent. (Loram and Louis spring to mind) or simply having a good semi final (Martin Goodwin for example) Now we are talking about a GB squad where we have to go to riders like Garrity ( premier league reserve earlier in the season) and Blackbird (not even a heat leader in the premier and not the future either) to make a squad up! Its a poor state of affairs Garrity,Blackbird,Kerr for me are not fast track reserves they have experience in the PL.All three are at a standard that we should be having at EL level Greaves,Payne,Sarjeant,as ex)are real rookies and good on em they have competed as best as they can.As for the GB squad i am really disappointed no longterm vision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Garrity,Blackbird,Kerr for me are not fast track reserves they have experience in the PL.All three are at a standard that we should be having at EL level Greaves,Payne,Sarjeant,as ex)are real rookies and good on em they have competed as best as they can.As for the GB squad i am really disappointed no longterm vision. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Garrity,Blackbird,Kerr for me are not fast track reserves they have experience in the PL.All three are at a standard that we should be having at EL level Greaves,Payne,Sarjeant,as ex)are real rookies and good on em they have competed as best as they can.As for the GB squad i am really disappointed no longterm vision. How much experiance have Kerr and Blackbird had at pl not much! Garrity isnt going to get much better and i doubt Blackbird will at his age. Lets put the Rookies in and see them half a lap behind!! By all means have the likes of Lambert and Kerr around the pits but they should not be in our top 4 by a long chalk. I will be stunned if Garrity or Blackbird ever make a team gb top 4 riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 i sound old (only 46), but in the past mike lanham, tony davey, dave morton, ian turner, bob kilby, ted howgego, kevin jolly, chris pusy to name just a few, were middle order/second string, who couldnt get into the national squad..if only we had that calibre nowadays!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) How much experiance have Kerr and Blackbird had at pl not much! Garrity isnt going to get much better and i doubt Blackbird will at his age. Lets put the Rookies in and see them half a lap behind!! By all means have the likes of Lambert and Kerr around the pits but they should not be in our top 4 by a long chalk. I will be stunned if Garrity or Blackbird ever make a team gb top 4 riders. At Kings Lynn believe me Lambert is as good as a option as King/Bridger for me also those other two have had past opportunities.Could Lambert beat the likes of Dryml Fox, (ect certainly i watched him last night and he was on the pace.He was against Kildemand,Batchelor, and was competetive also is Blackbird a tiger Louis type? a late developer also like Lawson Blackbird is a decent gater( his dad was not a great gater but see him beat Nielsen in the helmet).! Edited July 4, 2014 by sidney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 i sound old (only 46), but in the past mike lanham, tony davey, dave morton, ian turner, bob kilby, ted howgego, kevin jolly, chris pusy to name just a few, were middle order/second string, who couldnt get into the national squad..if only we had that calibre nowadays!!!Morton,Kilby (defo), Davey,Pusey were not second strings all were a number 1 or 2 in the averages.You are right though Colin, the quality is not there now people like Cartwright, j.Owen,Broadbelt,Bastable,Davis,( ect) would be in there element now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Morton,Kilby (defo), Davey,Pusey were not second strings all were a number 1 or 2 in the averages.You are right though Colin, the quality is not there now people like Cartwright, j.Owen,Broadbelt,Bastable,Davis,( ect) would be in there element now. If your talking about John Davis. I think your being a tad hard. He was an outright No1 at Reading. He made two world finals. He also won The Daily Express Spring Classic and The Laurels. That was when those meetings had World Class line ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Morton,Kilby (defo), Davey,Pusey were not second strings all were a number 1 or 2 in the averages.You are right though Colin, the quality is not there now people like Cartwright, j.Owen,Broadbelt,Bastable,Davis,( ect) would be in there element now. davey was never a no1, pusey was, but yes, top averaged riders in their teams, but couldnt hold down a regualar england spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 davey was never a no1, pusey was, but yes, top averaged riders in their teams, but couldnt hold down a regualar england spotDavey was never a no 1 but he certainly was not a second string,but that was because he was around with Louis and Sanders.And he would of been a no 1 most years when he challenged PC for the golden helmet.Pusey underachieved was a heat leader in a tough era and i think he reached a BLRC with Halifax. If your talking about John Davis. I think your being a tad hard. He was an outright No1 at Reading. He made two world finals. He also won The Daily Express Spring Classic and The Laurels. That was when those meetings had World Class line ups.You are right "Tyler i see him win the manpower at Reading one year.I was not a fan of his also he had far better aquipment than most,but he was not as talented as alot of riders who had inferior aquipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Davey was never a no 1 but he certainly was not a second string,but that was because he was around with Louis and Sanders.And he would of been a no 1 most years when he challenged PC for the golden helmet.Pusey underachieved was a heat leader in a tough era and i think he reached a BLRC with Halifax. You are right "Tyler i see him win the manpower at Reading one year.I was not a fan of his also he had far better aquipment than most,but he was not as talented as alot of riders who had inferior aquipment. I have to agree with you sidney, I was not a fan and he did rely on his gating most of the times, but he did a lot of winning, when for me it was a tough era. He also made the WTC Team on a few occasions when we had world class performers in Collins,Simmo,Jessup,Lee,Kennett. of todays riders, only Woffinden IMO would get a sniff of getting in that team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I have to agree with you sidney, I was not a fan and he did rely on his gating most of the times, but he did a lot of winning, when for me it was a tough era. He also made the WTC Team on a few occasions when we had world class performers in Collins,Simmo,Jessup,Lee,Kennett. of todays riders, only Woffinden IMO would get a sniff of getting in that team Cant disagree Tyler his cv was a pretty good one,he qualified for 16 british FInals in a mega tough era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 How much experiance have Kerr and Blackbird had at pl not much! Garrity isnt going to get much better and i doubt Blackbird will at his age. Lets put the Rookies in and see them half a lap behind!! By all means have the likes of Lambert and Kerr around the pits but they should not be in our top 4 by a long chalk. I will be stunned if Garrity or Blackbird ever make a team gb top 4 riders. Garrity has improved as the season has gone on and see no reason why that shouldnt carry on. Not saying he will be a world beater but I think he will certainly be a rider in the frame for a GB spot in a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 gb probably struggle with strongest 4, so why put weaker riders in? what do they learn 50 yrds at the back?.also, can you imagine how flat the atmosphere would be after 6 races? for tv and the crowd?Ffs noone is saying put garritty or Kerr or blackbird in thefour. What they are saying -repeatedly- is that youngsters should have been used for slots 7-10 in the squad. The only youngster touted as a possibility for the four is lambert for the kl meeting only, where tbh he potentially could do as well as anyone bar tai. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Ffs noone is saying put garritty or Kerr or blackbird in thefour. What they are saying -repeatedly- is that youngsters should have been used for slots 7-10 in the squad. The only youngster touted as a possibility for the four is lambert for the kl meeting only, where tbh he potentially could do as well as anyone bar tai. i am .to me garrity has that something about him .ive known him from the start of his speedway and i agree he is not up to world standard yet either in equipment or skill but he is on par with some others in the 10 but is alot more fearless than others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Ffs noone is saying put garritty or Kerr or blackbird in thefour. What they are saying -repeatedly- is that youngsters should have been used for slots 7-10 in the squad. The only youngster touted as a possibility for the four is lambert for the kl meeting only, where tbh he potentially could do as well as anyone bar tai. calm down...as you say "ffs".....IMO its stupid having to name 10 riders in any case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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