Daniel Smith Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Never read such rubbish in my life. After a statement like that, I question do you actually see the races. To compare the two instances of, 1, Niels pass on Cook and 2, Pedersen attempt on Zagar is like comparing chalk with cheese. I don't know where you were viewing from, but from the Royal Box, we had a perfect view. Niels, having missed the gate and powered into second position, comes into 3rd bend , behind Cooke, on an outside run. Half way round the corner, he straightening up and drives to the inside of Cooke, who was drifting wide, thinking Niels was coming round him, Niels takes the lead entering the finishing straight . Never were they that close. There was plenty of room and here was no touching at any time. How that compares with Pedersen barging into Zagar entering the 3rd bend is beyond me. Clearly your view wasn't that good then as Iversen DID 100% bang Cook out the way on turn 3. I stand on the back straight so the absolute perfect view thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 A rider that, despite not being the most naturally talented in the world, and being told he'd never make it, has grafted his way to the top of his profession, been one of the most consistent riders of the last 10+ years, and won 3 world titles? Is that what Great Britain needs? With that reputation no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I use to stand there because people we use to mix with was always there. Close the to that bar, and refreshment, toilet close as well. It wasn't until we moved we realised just how little you could see. People , pillars, were always in the way, you never had a good view. I'm 6ft. plus and still I had to stretch on tee-toe to see them whizz by. Since then I've stood on all 4 bends and can appreciate why people view from there. But without doubt the best view in the house is from the Royal Box. You see it all from an advantage point. In situations like this, I will wait and purchase the video recording of the meeting just to satisfy my own integrity. But knowing now where you were standing I can understand your perception.... Just one other thing. Niels is the ultimate professional, a true gentleman, with no enemies. He rides hard, but always fair. Can that be said about Pedersen???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 With that reputation no! His reputation is irrelevant. He takes no prisoners, oversteps the mark occasionally, and usually gets excluded. The sport is knackered when he packs it in, since the others (excluding Smolinski) have the charisma of an old shoe! Speedway, thankfully, is a contact sport, and long may it remain so. The likes of Briggs, Mauger, Olsen, Nielsen, Penhall all dished out a bit of the real hard stuff on World Final night. People need to sit back and enjoy and stop being so shocked and appalled at everything they see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 To any Belle Vue,bosses,managers,pit crew,rob b!! please can you tell us the exaxt problem with Matej Zagars 2 ritirements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) Speedway is a tough sport and hope it remains so. Personally did see anything wrong in any of the moves last night, just hard committed riding. The only problem last night was that there wasn't enough of it. Too many FTG's and drawn out races. Easily the worst meeting I've seen for many a moon. The crowd seemed very subdued from the very start so no atmosphere. As others have said, long delays, re-starts etc just made the whole meeting a drag. Be a hard sell to get any newcomer to come back after that. Thankfully a couple of races near the end livened things up a bit and of course another three points on the board. Hopefully the Eastbourne match will get the bloody pumping for all the right reasons. As for Zagar, now I'd hate to be cynical but in 9 races at Lynn this season, he's made the gate in 6 and won them. In the 3 he's missed the gate in, he's retired whilst last. Either he's very unfortunate, has poor standard equipment or is a sulking tart Edited June 19, 2014 by Speedball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 . Just one other thing. Niels is the ultimate professional, a true gentleman, with no enemies. He rides hard, but always fair. Can that be said about Pedersen???? Not it cant but 3 x world Champ can be said..PUK is good and i like him,but he will never be 3 x WC!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The meeting last night was dis-jointed but if you can’t see down the home straight because of the sun there’s not much you can do?!? Better to have a sun delay than a rain off so you’ll not find me whinging. Nice of Buster to hold his hands up about the track, what a genuine and humble man he is. As for the racing, I was v. worried after 6 heats with the Aces taking 3 heat advantages including versus Rory and Kenneth. However, Iversen sorted out his bike gremlins and then looked majestic, and you can’t help but be impressed with Porsing and Lambert – so much for weak second strings?!?! I was looking forward to 3 Iversen v Zagar contest but in the end I didn’t get 1 due to combination of bike problems and attitude problems. Nice to see Cookie ride better at the Norfolk Arena, maybe gating well enough to get into Team GB. Cannot figure BV out, they look strong on paper but it just doesn’t seem to translate into EL points. Dis-jointed is an understatement, in these modern times there surely must be a system where riders can wear goggles that have tinted or some kind of reactor light lenses, to have a decent size crowd on two separate occasions last night sitting waiting for the sun to go down isn't great, and I am fully aware of rider safety being priority. Not sure what the answer is. The meeting itself was largely from the gate though the meeting was decent enough, Belle Vue looked well in the meeting, in fact even at the end of Ht10 they looked they could a point. That effort wasn't helped when their No1retired from his last two riders, especially after looking so good in his first two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) The world no3 passing a couple of PL boys, wow! Lol they're PL boys now? And there I was thinking they're GB's next big thing(s) Anyway it wasn't particularly WHO he passed but the manner in which he did it. Having said that Cook's talent is trapping and going fast so he's rarely passed, but Niels made it look easy. A rider that, despite not being the most naturally talented in the world, and being told he'd never make it, has grafted his way to the top of his profession, been one of the most consistent riders of the last 10+ years, and won 3 world titles? Is that what Great Britain needs? Don't get me wrong - I've always been a fan of Nicki P I just thought it was amusing that Cook was being praised for being 'Pedersen-esque' when the majority of ppl are usually condemning Nicki for his every move. Hypocritical n'est-ce pas? Edited June 19, 2014 by Star Fever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Dis-jointed is an understatement, in these modern times there surely must be a system where riders can wear goggles that have tinted or some kind of reactor light lenses, to have a decent size crowd on two separate occasions last night sitting waiting for the sun to go down isn't great, and I am fully aware of rider safety being priority. Not sure what the answer is. The meeting itself was largely from the gate though the meeting was decent enough, Belle Vue looked well in the meeting, in fact even at the end of Ht10 they looked they could ###### a point. That effort wasn't helped when their No1retired from his last two riders, especially after looking so good in his first two. Those lenses would need to react pretty quickly!!! I'm still in favour of 2 hot air balloons with a giant tarpaulin hanging down between them. Said tarpaulin could also be branded and would be an excellent sponsorship opportunity : ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) With the issue of the sun, I wonder if Sky has been there whether there would have been that kind of delay ? I dont ever recall the sun being an issue at Saddlebow back in the 70's and 80's. Has the Kings Lynn landscape changed that much ? Edited June 19, 2014 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Those lenses would need to react pretty quickly!!! I'm still in favour of 2 hot air balloons with a giant tarpaulin hanging down between them. Said tarpaulin could also be branded and would be an excellent sponsorship opportunity : ) Get the shirt off the centre green presenter, that should cover it, first time I`ve ever heard a presenter appealing for sweeties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Anyway it wasn't particularly WHO he passed but the manner in which he did it. Having said that Cook's talent is trapping and going fast so he's rarely passed, but Niels made it look easy. Cookie is more than useful from the back. Re going fast he didn't think he was last night....... Craig Cook @the_cookstar · 15h Well tonight was very productive. Finally got a decent score at Lynn, wasn't the fastest by a long shot but the bike was gating so well I'm still in favour of 2 hot air balloons with a giant tarpaulin hanging down between them. Said tarpaulin could also be branded and would be an excellent sponsorship opportunity : ) That sounds the perfect solution!! I was thinking of fast growing trees but they would have taken years. For the balloons, you've already got the pumps working on the air fence so no extra cost there. Bloomin brilliant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Not it cant but 3 x world Champ can be said..PUK is good and i like him,but he will never be 3 x WC!!I'm not so sure Nicki will be remembered for being World Champ though, his other reputation precedes them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Or maybe one of these would do the trick. http://anthonyneilsmith.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d1a6053ef01538e3fd8b6970b-popup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverstars Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Apparently in years gone by they had goggles that reflected the sunlight.I dont recall meetings being delayed years ago either so why are they not used now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) Cookie is more than useful from the back. Re going fast he didn't think he was last night....... Craig Cook @the_cookstar · 15h Well tonight was very productive. Finally got a decent score at Lynn, wasn't the fastest by a long shot but the bike was gating so well OK so he didn't think he was fast enough - but given his previous record at Lynn how would he even know exactly what IS fast enough? Does he also assume that if he was slightly faster, then NKI wouldn't have passed him? That's arguable!! Anyway I haven't really got a downer on him, he's probably among the better of GB hopefuls. And I love his yellow wheels too!! With the issue of the sun, I wonder if Sky has been there whether there would have been that kind of delay ? I dont ever recall the sun being an issue at Saddlebow back in the 70's and 80's. Has the Kings Lynn landscape changed that much ? I can remember delays for sun for decades, but it does seem more prevalent recently ... maybe the riders are just more bothered about it lately? Either that or its due to global warming I've never understood why a higher fence has never been thought of - it'd certainly reduce the waiting time till the sun sets. Edited June 19, 2014 by Star Fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) OK so he didn't think he was fast enough - but given his previous record at Lynn how would he even know exactly what IS fast enough? Does he also assume that if he was slightly faster, then NKI wouldn't have passed him? That's arguable!! How would he know fast enough? Well when he scores a maximum? It's nice to see a rider scoring well but still wanting more, thats what makes you an excellent rider and not just a good one. Edited June 19, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Yep, they've both only been riding speedway a few years. There is a good chance they will go full time EL next year for the first time but even that's not 100% certain. I think it's great that our up and coming riders can mix it with the GP big boys. They should be in the EL only THIS year!! Same with King & Barker - both going backwards. If they want to progress they should be riding in Polish or Swedish leagues against better oppos than in the PL. After all, their riders have been doing it for years over here trying to improve themselves. Riders like Garrity, R Lambert, Kerr, Blackbird, Starke, Rose (to name a few) are real 'up and comers' - NOT riders who have already upped and came and feel safer in the Premier League! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Easy to say - not so easy to get the team place. And then there's the expense involved - not cheap to keep kit in multiple countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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