me2 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Armadale is twenty odd miles from Edinburgh. It's a village that would fit into the Derwent Park car park. We are in pretty much the same position as Workington when it comes to medical cover. We hang about for ages waiting for an NHS ambulance to arrive, or wait for the circuit ambulance to return from the hospital and it's more good luck than good planning that we haven't had to cancel a meeting. It seems most clubs do the absolute minimum to comply with the rule regarding medical cover, which quite rightly covers getting an injured rider to hospital, but nothing more. Clubs won't want to change because it will cost money that they don't have. The Workington statement that the call off was unavoidable isn't strictly true. It was unavoidable on the night, but could have been avoided with better medical cover. But nobody except Newcastle and Plymouth it seems can afford it. It's just another sign of a sport dying on its @rse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Booing rolling from the gate, is not a very good excuse! If every club does that we will be booing every heat! A race lasts 4 laps and if your riders could not catch Fox then its them who should be doing better! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Armadale is twenty odd miles from Edinburgh. It's a village that would fit into the Derwent Park car park. We are in pretty much the same position as Workington when it comes to medical cover. We hang about for ages waiting for an NHS ambulance to arrive, or wait for the circuit ambulance to return from the hospital and it's more good luck than good planning that we haven't had to cancel a meeting. It seems most clubs do the absolute minimum to comply with the rule regarding medical cover, which quite rightly covers getting an injured rider to hospital, but nothing more. Clubs won't want to change because it will cost money that they don't have. The Workington statement that the call off was unavoidable isn't strictly true. It was unavoidable on the night, but could have been avoided with better medical cover. But nobody except Newcastle and Plymouth it seems can afford it. It's just another sign of a sport dying on its @rse. I think you are doing Edinburgh disservice while Edinburgh is 25 miles from Armadale ,Livingston Hospital is about 5 miles away and is a major A &E .Anytime I Have been at Armadale the Ambulance situation has been dealt with with minimum disruption 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Armadale is twenty odd miles from Edinburgh. Nearest hospital with an A&E is less than 10 miles from Armadale stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 The West Cumberland Hospital with 24 hour A&E and orthopedics is in Whitehaven. Similar it would seem to St. Johns in Livingston. If the county ambulance was 66 minutes away makes you wonder just how far that was in terms of miles. Any poor sod with an MI or stroke in the Workington area on that Saturday night was in trouble. Is the ambulance provision really that desperate? Cumbrian's protest or MOVE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 As a tax payer, I do have sympathy with the view that promotions should have their own ambulance. Why should an ambulance sit at a speedway meeting for several hours when there may be genuine need for it elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Get well soon Kyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Booing rolling from the gate, is not a very good excuse! If every club does that we will be booing every heat! A race lasts 4 laps and if your riders could not catch Fox then its them who should be doing better!rene is one of the PL worst rollers.... But only opposing fans are aware of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me2 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Trust me, we've had some delays. As for the twenty odd miles, I was pointing out to workyboy that Armadale isn't in Edinburgh as he seems to think. I know exactly where St. John's is, I helped build it. As for doing Edinburgh a disservice, I'm pointing out that they are no different from many other clubs in that medical cover could, in certain circumstances become an issue as happened on Saturday and has happened elsewhere. I find cancelling a meeting in those circumstances unacceptable in what is supposed to be a professional sport. The spectators were let down. I've supported, and through my company sponsored riders, mainly road racers at club level at Knockhill for more years than I care to remember and to pull a meeting due to lack of medical cover is unheard of in that branch of Motorsport. And they're amateurs. There are multiple ambulances standing by. How they fund them I don't know, there's very little money in club Motorsport, but they do it. The riders and organisers are experts with the begging bowl, but only among sponsors. Never, ever do they turn to spectators for funds or burden them with their financial woes. I love Speedway, but the way it's run, on a wing and a prayer scares me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 rene is one of the PL worst rollers.... But only opposing fans are aware of this If that's the case then I wish he'd roll a bit quicker, been pretty sh*te out the starts when I watch!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) The West Cumberland Hospital with 24 hour A&E and orthopedics is in Whitehaven. Similar it would seem to St. Johns in Livingston. If the county ambulance was 66 minutes away makes you wonder just how far that was in terms of miles. Any poor sod with an MI or stroke in the Workington area on that Saturday night was in trouble. Is the ambulance provision really that desperate? Cumbrian's protest or MOVE! Assuming a straight run from all points, allowing for a standing start and a slow down phase then an uninterrupted 60mph blast would start you from, North- Somewhere in Dumfries and Galloway, East - Appleby, South- Just North of Kendal or Barrow, West - sunk and no use to anyone!! Quite correct, absolutely nothing else better to do!! Edited June 16, 2014 by Lord Lucan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 No conspiracy theory , we had a one off situation concerning the county ambulance. I would have loved to have seen all 15 hts, sedgman poor, sneddon poor, fox poor, not going to the win the league with a 4 man team think we would have kept the points, the re run will more than likely have Worrall in the body of the team so not being able have 7 rides, bring it on ;-) . The booing for Masters and Fox will have been to the fact of the massive roll they got away with total farce. that will be the 4 man team that has won 17 drawn 1 and lost 0 then. Not to shabby for only having 4 riders! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Rolling at the start = cheating = booing, give yourself a shake every rider wants to get a flier and making the gate is one of the most important parts of speedway racing. If another rider makes a poor gate at the same time it looks like a rider jumped. It seems these days if a rival rider makes a good gate it is because he rolled, poor sportsmanship and sour grapes. If it was as bad as you say the ref would have stopped it, looked to me like the monarchs made a great gate. Booing for banter and a bit of rivalry is all good for the sport but that was just poor. I still assert that Workington could have tried harder to keep the meeting running, they may have tried and failed but to me that is better than not bothering. If the ambulance had left the track as soon as they got the news that the county one wasn't coming it could have been at the hospital a lot earlier. They would then have a better eta of how long it would take and could call back and tell the promotion who could make an informed decision. Crowd can be kept informed which would allow anyone who didn't want to wait to leave. Instead imo they took an easy decision. They were in a difficult position and I know I am being harsh but I expect an effort to be made. Not really emphasising the conspiracy theory but I bet they would have tried harder if worky were 10 up and looking certs for 3 points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 small delay at newcastle. lewis kerr off to hospital in ambulance. maybe like us , they only have 1 ambulance and 1 doctor. good job they were not against the monarchs. Two ambulances (as is standard at Newcastle) and three doctors, actually. Delay was whilst Lewi was treated on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me2 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Two ambulances (as is standard at Newcastle) and three doctors, actually. Delay was whilst Lewi was treated on track. Well done Newcastle. If I had a hat, I'd take it off to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) rene is one of the PL worst rollers.... But only opposing fans are aware of this , Really !!!! Why the hell then does he have to get from 3rd,2nd to lst , as Lord Lucan says , we wish the hell he would roll faster !!!. Masters was at first bend on Saturday before the other 3 looked round Two ambulances (as is standard at Newcastle) and three doctors, actually. Delay was whilst Lewi was treated on track. Mmmm. Newcastle is slightly bigger than Workington Rolling at the start = cheating = booing, give yourself a shake every rider wants to get a flier and making the gate is one of the most important parts of speedway racing. If another rider makes a poor gate at the same time it looks like a rider jumped. It seems these days if a rival rider makes a good gate it is because he rolled, poor sportsmanship and sour grapes. If it was as bad as you say the ref would have stopped it, looked to me like the monarchs made a great gate. Booing for banter and a bit of rivalry is all good for the sport but that was just poor. I still assert that Workington could have tried harder to keep the meeting running, they may have tried and failed but to me that is better than not bothering. If the ambulance had left the track as soon as they got the news that the county one wasn't coming it could have been at the hospital a lot earlier. They would then have a better eta of how long it would take and could call back and tell the promotion who could make an informed decision. Crowd can be kept informed which would allow anyone who didn't want to wait to leave. Instead imo they took an easy decision. They were in a difficult position and I know I am being harsh but I expect an effort to be made. Not really emphasising the conspiracy theory but I bet they would have tried harder if worky were 10 up and looking certs for 3 points. No chance he was too busy trying to get home for the England match , great gate my backside , next time have a yourself a seat in the grandstand just up from the tapes , brilliant view Edited June 16, 2014 by Taylorj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Newcastle is slightly bigger than Workington Factually correct, but what's that got to do with Newcastle having more cover than Worky. We have to pay more for our Ambulance cover and all the Doctors are speedway fans, one is my daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) Quote (Taylorj) Mmmm. Newcastle is slightly bigger than Workington And? The question was asked if there was only one ambulance and one doctor at Newcastle on Sunday night. I was just pointing out that there was two ambulances and three docs. And anyway.... size isn't everything! Edited June 16, 2014 by Steve Park 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 ask your missis if size matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) , Really !!!! Why the hell then does he have to get from 3rd,2nd to lst , as Lord Lucan says , we wish the hell he would roll faster !!!. Masters was at first bend on Saturday before the other 3 looked round Mmmm. Newcastle is slightly bigger than Workington No chance he was too busy trying to get home for the England match , great gate my backside , next time have a yourself a seat in the grandstand just up from the tapes , brilliant view christ Julie take your bloody blinkers off man, it's boring you posting biased stuff all the time.... We discussed Rene rolling earlier in the season at Newcastle when I was talking to you and you agreed ffs Edited June 16, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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