Workington Vs Edinburgh 14th June 7pm (premier League)

[Fromafar]

Agree with every word . Our sport is in trouble , big trouble . Crowds are dwindling at an alarming rate and yet promoters continue to treat it's paying customers with contempt .The whole structure of our sport is in disarray with continued ill-thoughtout tinkering of the rules , but instead of coming up with a creditable plan to take speedway forward , they continue to find new ways of driving people away .

Have to agree,the number of call -offs ,abandonments and meeting delays is causing major problems even die -hard fans are getting fed up these days.While riders safety is paramount there has to be better measures in place regarding meetings delays.Basically when treatment to the rider on the track is finished and he has been removed the meeting should then restart.Medical cover needs to be improved even if it is an extra expense.Standing around chatting for an hour in between delays is not every fans way of a good nights entertainment.

[Marksman]

Well there were SOME idiots in the stand last night!! Fair enough boo the ref after the bike was on the side of the track and no red lights on, but why boo the Edinburgh riders?? What had they done wrong?

 

Oh and a small group of idiots near us obviously wanting to get home for the match telling Kyle to get up and stop being soft

 

I think Edinburgh would of won the meeting in the end and it was going to be a good finale so shame it ended that way, speedway fans are used to waiting around if a rider gets injured so I think we should of waited for another ambulance.

 

Get well soon Kyle!

Obviously never seen the monarchs pair rolling at the start then? Awful decision gave an unfair advantage and gifted a 5-1.

Yes it's unfortunate for the away fans but it pretty much happens to lots of speedway fans over time, and some comments about the lack of ambulances and comparisons are laughable, people obviously don't understand that Workington is a small town, you can't compare the resources that big cities would have on there doorstep compared to West Cumbria. If the county ambulance nearby is already in use, what are the promotion meant to do.

[scaramanga]

I was there tonight to witness events, but first of all, I will quote the following from the Official Edinburgh website:

 

"A second ambulance was apparently 66 miles away, though the stadium ambulance in which Kyle was being treated would only have had to travel to Whitehaven, seven miles away."

 

I would be interested if someone from the Workington Management could confirm if this correct, and if so, explain why it was estimated it would take a least a further hour for ambulance and medical cover to resume ?

 

The abandonment was met with audible disapproval from the main Stand, which was mainly populated by home supporters, and some visiting fans, including me.

 

Make no mistake, whilst Howarth's well being was of paramount importance, the lack of contingency backup to continue the meeting will only drive away more frustrated fans from attending further matches.

going by google maps the distance between derwent park and wc hospital is 10.9 miles and 21 mins travel time

now any one local will know its a small understaffed a&e department on arival by ambulance unless your life is in imediate danger you will be kept on the ambulance or in a coridoor untill someone is free to see you therefore the medical crew that transport you there have to stay with you untill youre handed over

also a few are saying about ambulance cover and comparing to other tracks

some tracks pay for county ambulance workington run with st johns ambulnce with fully qualified doctor also in attendence so the st johns ambulance hasnt the same cover for transporting injuried parties at times unless the doctor goes with them

workington have a seperate medical room as the back up but the ambulance being of site along with the doctor will have stopped all racing untill another ambulance was on site

at least thats how i understand it

[Halifaxtiger]

going by google maps the distance between derwent park and wc hospital is 10.9 miles and 21 mins travel time

now any one local will know its a small understaffed a&e department on arival by ambulance unless your life is in imediate danger you will be kept on the ambulance or in a coridoor untill someone is free to see you therefore the medical crew that transport you there have to stay with you untill youre handed over

also a few are saying about ambulance cover and comparing to other tracks

some tracks pay for county ambulance workington run with st johns ambulnce with fully qualified doctor also in attendence so the st johns ambulance hasnt the same cover for transporting injuried parties at times unless the doctor goes with them

workington have a seperate medical room as the back up but the ambulance being of site along with the doctor will have stopped all racing untill another ambulance was on site

at least thats how i understand it

 

I don't think there's any evidence that Workington don't provide the level of care required by the sports regulations.

 

In my experience, most (if not all) tracks use some sort of private medical services. Peakmedicare, for example, do Belle Vue and Buxton.

 

I think the point is that Plymouth and Newcastle (and there maybe others) have sufficient medical staff to ensure that if a rider has to be taken to hospital the meeting can still continue. If they can do it, so can everyone else.

 

That's not a criticism of Workington as such; Newcastle & Plymouth are very much the exceptions in having the level of care that they do, but all credit to them for having it.

[Star Lady]

I think most promoters work on probabilities. If you work out the number of times 2 (or more) riders have needed doctor/paramedic attendance or 2 riders have needed urgent transporting to hospital with qualified crew compared to the number of meetings you attend you can see why the level of cover is as it is at the majority of tracks.

I'm not saying it's ideal, obviously it isn't but promoters are businessmen and have to weigh up the pros/cons and costs.

 

Ideally every track would have 2 fully equipped emergency ambulances and at least 2 fully qualified paramedics/doctors qualified in trauma care. I'd suggest costs would make that prohibitive and push several tracks over the edge finance wise. Such facilities don't come cheap.

[Halifaxtiger]

I think most promoters work on probabilities. If you work out the number of times 2 (or more) riders have needed doctor/paramedic attendance or 2 riders have needed urgent transporting to hospital with qualified crew compared to the number of meetings you attend you can see why the level of cover is as it is at the majority of tracks.

I'm not saying it's ideal, obviously it isn't but promoters are businessmen and have to weigh up the pros/cons and costs.

 

Ideally every track would have 2 fully equipped emergency ambulances and at least 2 fully qualified paramedics/doctors qualified in trauma care. I'd suggest costs would make that prohibitive and push several tracks over the edge finance wise. Such facilities don't come cheap.

 

Most meetings stop - as did Workington - if one rider is injured, basically because the paramedic must stay with them until the county ambulance arrives. Then there is the handover time. Adding the two together, the delay can be considerable.

 

Its true to say that a track ambulance going off to hospital is rare, but it happens.

 

What you say about the additional cost is fair point, but how much will last nights abandonment cost Workington and how much does a delay of an hour or more cost in terms of lost fans ?

[Paulco]

Most meetings stop - as did Workington - if one rider is injured, basically because the paramedic must stay with them until the county ambulance arrives. Then there is the handover time. Adding the two together, the delay can be considerable.

 

Its true to say that a track ambulance going off to hospital is rare, but it happens.

 

What you say about the additional cost is fair point, but how much will last nights abandonment cost Workington and how much does a delay of an hour or more cost in terms of lost fans ?

That's the point . Yes we all know about the logistical difficulties tracks face and costs have to be taken into consideration . But it's supposed to be a professional sport and should be run professionally with the paying customer getting full value for money . These issues have to be addressed before we've chased everyone away from our tracks through continued abandonments and postponements .

[Star Lady]

 

Most meetings stop - as did Workington - if one rider is injured, basically because the paramedic must stay with them until the county ambulance arrives. Then there is the handover time. Adding the two together, the delay can be considerable.

 

Tell me about it, I did 10 years in the ambo service and handover times was one of the biggest bugbears for crews. Too many people still think a county ambulance will always attend on blues and twos, sadly the service is that stretched nowadays unless the injury is life threatening it won't often happen.

 

Its true to say that a track ambulance going off to hospital is rare, but it happens.

 

It is and if it's in the best interest of the rider it should however inconvenienced fans are, the riders health comes first.

 

What you say about the additional cost is fair point, but how much will last nights abandonment cost Workington and how much does a delay of an hour or more cost in terms of lost fans ?

 

Taken over a season, I'd guess one incident like last night would cost less than 2 ambulance and 2 qualified medics in strict finance terms. I know finance shouldn't dictate such things but sadly they do.

 

I fully understand fans don't want to be hanging about on the terraces with nothing happening. I'd love to see the best medical cover at all tracks for both riders and paying customers, I don't think I will tho and if I do, it may well be at the cost of a few more tracks.

 

Maybe if the promoters did all they could to minimise other delays during a meeting fans would be a bit more tolerant of medical delays. I don't have the answers, wish I did

Edited June 15, 2014 by Star Lady

[Gaz]

Obviously never seen the monarchs pair rolling at the start then? Awful decision gave an unfair advantage and gifted a 5-1.

Yes it's unfortunate for the away fans but it pretty much happens to lots of speedway fans over time, and some comments about the lack of ambulances and comparisons are laughable, people obviously don't understand that Workington is a small town, you can't compare the resources that big cities would have on there doorstep compared to West Cumbria. If the county ambulance nearby is already in use, what are the promotion meant to do.

what has them rolling got to with the home fans booing them after the race. By the way I was neutral so was not supporting either side.

[Fromafar]

That's the point . Yes we all know about the logistical difficulties tracks face and costs have to be taken into consideration . But it's supposed to be a professional sport and should be run professionally with the paying customer getting full value for money . These issues have to be addressed before we've chased everyone away from our tracks through continued abandonments and postponements .

That's my point too,you have to eliminate these situations arising.

[jenga]

Take it worky don't have 2 ambulances... But to think the nearest ambulance is an hour away beggars belief in this day and age.

 

its lucky the whole of the n.h.s. has any spare ambulances to go to motorsports. with all the cut back. more cut backs than wuffy.

Just as well the World Cups not in Worky.

 

Best wishes Gary Lewin!

 

why, has some one had a crash on the football field.

 

its lucky the whole of the n.h.s. has any spare ambulances to go to motorsports. with all the cut back. more cut backs than wuffy.

 

why, has some one had a crash on the football field.

just remember next time you need an ambulance at your house. there wont be one spare cos.. it will be at a speedway track near you... now remind me who is the doctor at the british G.Ps in cardiff

Edited June 15, 2014 by jenga

[Lord Lucan]

Just in case anyone's interested, there were 9hts of racing last night, not the best to be fair, bit processional mostly, but getting better as the night wore on!!

 

Cookie won the opening salvo of the grudge match with Lawson, always that bit too far ahead for Rich to get a blow in, apart from that, Worrall looked very impressive and is an absolute steal for E,boro racing at no7, Sedgmen was poor and without doubt would have been replaced by Worrall in his last, Fricke looked OK, Sneddon was poor also, not the rider I remember, Masters just starting to get going after a poor opener and Fox was only moderate!!

 

Comets, Lawson was looking good, Campton again was too slow and too easily beaten off, Wells just doesn't seem interested, body language said a lot and couldn't even get passed Fox, Howarth tried hard, probably too hard and just making life difficult for himself, Rene,s poor starting is costing him big style, did well to catch Masters in his first and lucky to stay on while almost locking up in front of Fricke, Lambert was steady and looking better while Poole was scoring some useful points and looked to be improving with each race!!

 

Comets deserved to be in front but once Howarth's injury had it's effect E,boro were just getting started on a comeback and things could have got pretty squeaky bum for the last 6 races, would have been tough for the Comets to hang on, not saying we wouldn't have, just been tougher!!

Hope Kyle's injury isn't serious, really cant afford to run r/r for too long, never seems to work out very well for us and there are some tough matches coming up shortly, life at the coalface just got harder!!

[Chris Hutcheson]

 

its lucky the whole of the n.h.s. has any spare ambulances to go to motorsports. with all the cut back. more cut backs than wuffy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are St. John's ambulances not separate from "normal" NHS ambulances? I mean other ones have "London Ambulance service" etc. on the side.

They may be connected but I thought St John's were "hired" for events etc?

[scotchopper]

What time is the curfew at Workington?

 

I understand all of the chat about ambulances and doctors and unfortunately I think we are stuck with the situation where tracks only have 1 of each. Situations like that are rare and as long as it is only exceptions then it is difficult to justify the extra cost.

The most important thing is the safety of the riders and I hope Kyle makes a quick recovery he looked in a lot of pain.

 

Having said all that I am extremely disappointed with the complete lack of urgency and will to get on with the meeting. This was demonstrated better by the amount of time it took them to repair the air fence after heat 4, they were wandering around like tomorrow will do.

 

Then after kyle was put in the ambulance it sat on the track for over 15 mins. As soon as they found out the county ambulance was going to be over an hour it should have been heading for the hospital. If it got to the hospital and found out there would be a significant wait to hand over kyle then call it off. At least make an effort, as mentioned on the monarchs website it appeared the track staff were already blading off turns 3/4 before the decision was made.

 

There was a lot of chat over the pa before the incident about getting everyone home in time for the football, also the fact that monarchs were starting to look strong (Stevie in 4 of the last 6 races and cookie in 3) and with Stevie not at reserve for the restaging. I really hope that these were not factors in the lack of effort to get the meeting on.

 

The (so called) fans booing Sam and Aaron after heat 9 was pathetic.

[kevcfc]

10pm curfew, afaik the medical cover is the same now as it's always been, going back to 1999. This is the first time I've known a comets meeting to be called off due to the lack of availability of a county ambulance. I think this says more about the state our nhs has been reduced to than anything else, I'm certainly not buying into some of the frankly ridiculous conspiracy theories I'm reading on here!

[Fromafar]

10pm curfew, afaik the medical cover is the same now as it's always been, going back to 1999. This is the first time I've known a comets meeting to be called off due to the lack of availability of a county ambulance. I think this says more about the state our nhs has been reduced to than anything else, I'm certainly not buying into some of the frankly ridiculous conspiracy theories I'm reading on here!

I quoted earlier the Berwick meeting was abandoned because the Doctor had to go in the Ambulance so that is obviously another area that should be looked into.Dont really see any conspiracy theories Posted. Edited June 15, 2014 by Fromafar

[scaramanga]

where i was i couldnt hear any fans booing but on the back straight there was plenty cheering when kyle went down and after the race while the medical staff were atending to kyle

[Lord Lucan]

If the Kyle incident had been Ht10 and not Ht9 a result could have been called quite legitimately without recourse to anything!!

 

St John Ambulance are hired for the events as has been suggested, don't know at what cost or how many are deemed necessary for anyone time, but in over 40yrs on and off of watching speedway at DP, and I'll say it again, I've never known a county ambulance fail to arrive for "ANY" incident that required one!!

It may very well be a sign of the times and I sincerely hope that it doesn't happen again but to just blame the Comets management for an event outside of their control is just wrong, yes, we were caught out this time but hindsight is a wonderful thing, crowds are down at Worky, as is everywhere else so the revenue isn't coming in the way it once did and these factors are always at the forefront of the decision making no matter how much people will feel aggrieved about them?

 

What hasn't helped now, as it's turned out, was the initial light hearted comment about the meeting needing to be speeded up so the Ref could get back for the footy, that and the other comments of slow repairs are just exacerbating an unfortunate state of affairs that was never meant to happen, of course people have a right to feel angry but sometimes events will overtake the best laid plans and this is one of them?

Very sorry for the supporters who made the trip, costs a lot of money thesedays and this is the last thing you want to happen, but as I said earlier, one more race and the result stands anyway, maybe E,boro would have preferred that I don't know but if that were the case then why agree to call it off?

[mc1874]

where i was i couldnt hear any fans booing but on the back straight there was plenty cheering when kyle went down and after the race while the medical staff were atending to kyle

it all boils down to the monarchs fans spending 14 quid to get in and only seeing 9 heats. it does not matter if the poor injured rider is on the floor in pain. all the JOCKS want is an edinburgh win. at ALL costs. as lord l says, its a one off situation.may never happen again, but if it does . i hope its a monarchs rider that is involved.. human life is nothing,, edinburgh speedway is every thing.. get real you pretend english men... . as i mentioned in another post, roll on september... then you can vote yea or nay to be part of the real world..

Could you be anymore ridiculous and racist in fact. To refer to scots as you lot and then stereotype all scottish people under one umbrella is nothing short of racist. I am sorry it totally is and against the rules on this forum I am disgusted by your comments.

 

For the record I am a monarchs fan. My political views have nothing to do with my support for edinburgh and anything I say about speedway on this forum.

 

You accuse us of a win at all costs mentality. How dare you do that when we have seen guys our fans have their lives changed; guys close to our club young men like Neil Hewitt and Lawrence Hare. The benevolent fund is always well supported by our fans and for you to accuse us of anything else like enjoying others being ridiculous is ludicrous.

 

Yes folks are frustrated they travelled and spent money and never got a result. Who wouldn't be. But kyle is ok and that's the main thing. Bottom line. Stick to speedway mate; for the record I've reported your post. Disgusting comments about monarchs fans and Scottish people. The speedway community is one up and down the country bear that in mind before you ramble on again

 

There are silly folk in all supports who cheer when riders fall. Not for me I've said it before on this forum. No fan goes to watch riders get hurt

Edited June 15, 2014 by mc1874

[jenga]

so what do the jo////. (cant say that) call us english then .whats the slang word for it.. and i am not raciest. i have many off white friends.. what do you call the irish then..

Edited June 15, 2014 by jenga