Arson fire Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Yes by default. Other riders were injured or banned as you say so they failed to meet their commitment which is the definition of default if you care to look it up. At no point have I suggested that it's his fault or anyone else's fault. So you think he'll finish in the top 8 next season do you? there are 8 riders who will and 8 who won't... Can't you grasp that?? Maybe he will maybe he won't, thats irrelevant as he's earned the right to try.... They all start on zero points so you never know, but I'd love to see him ram it up folks like you's arses!! He's more chance of being top 8 next season than those who haven't qualified.... And he's more chance of finishing top 8 next season than Ward has this.... Every sport has those at the very top, those in the middle and those that make the numbers up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 The fact is:- he qualified last night and no one can take that away. BUT some have the opinion, which they are entitled to, that the 2015 gp is not going to be greatly enhanced by his prescence judging on the form he has shown this year. and the way other threads/posts by members of this forum describe the quality of British EL speedway this year I am not reassured by the statements that some make that his EL form in recent weeks/months has been good. Fact is, his gp form has been not good. Comments like he used his EL bikes last night, apparently they better then his Europe bikes, cuts nothing with me - surely if is EL bikes are better then he should have been using them in the gp's, but he hasnt - is that poor judgement, I think so if it is the case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Im sure people either must be thick or trolling on here sometimes. Chris Harris has been fortunate to be in the grand prix the last few years .......Fact Chris Haris this year has been a disaster in the grand prix..............FACT Next season he will struggle again.....................i think Fact but its opinion lol. But the biggest Fact that some idiots cant get is THIS YEAR HE HAS QUALIFIED ON MERIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was reserve for the challenge someone wasnt riding he gets in the meeting. THAT IS HOW RESERVE SYSTEM WORKS!!! In the challenge he ties on points with the ONLY OTHER RIDER in the grand prix already. Does that not tell you the best are already in the gp's The other rider Doyle (and huge congrats to him by the way) was only beaten by the 2 gp boys. people saying we need Kildemand and Pawlicki well they were in the meeting and didnt do what Harris did. I remember in 1998 grand Prix challenge Henka and Smith qualified and Loram didnt. Its what happens. By all means say that Harris isnt up to it and may struggle but to say he didnt deserve to qualify is either thick, ignorant or trolling 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) On another note, Several premier league teams are banned from this years FA cup because they haven't been very good in it for years, half the field of the Tour de France are told not to bother because they can't win and Keith Deller has had his world darts championship annulled because he was crap most other times!! What a bummer. Edited September 21, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'm not suggesting it does, but isn't one swallow, is it? He made it through three qualifying rounds, when other - according to you no doubt - more deserving riders did not. I wonder why that would be? And why "look forward" to someone failing. How thoroughly unpleasant. Perhaps he will give up his place, just to appease you. If he had any sense of pride he wouldn't have accepted a 2014 place to start with. Congratulations. He had a very good meeting when it really counted, but make no mistake, next year will mark the continuation of the "standard Harris GP" form all over again, and again, and again... total embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Official results sheet from Lonigo states that 5th THJ, 6th Pawlicki and 7th Covatti have been balloted. Now until someone explains me otherwise, I say that an error has been made. There should have been a runoff between the three to decide riders fininshing 5th and 6th to make for the three substitutes under the current rules for 2015. With Janowski being 1st substitute as it stands. Dont even mention Zagar, it's irrevelant AT THIS stage. FIM rulebook. 070.11.3 Ties In all run-off heats concerning the ties, the starting positions at the gate shall be balloted in presence of the Jury President. Unless a more specific regulation is applicable to the competition the following will apply: Individual Speedway and Ice Racing, Track Racing Sidecar 1000cc For all meetings, after the official programme of heats has been terminated should there be a tie for the first 3 places or for the last qualifying place or substitute position to go forward to the next round, there will be a heat to resolve the tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 So that means there was a slip up last night - is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 So that means there was a slip up last night - is that correct? IMO, yes. "to the next round" means SGP2015 to me, but maybe thats just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 The results speaks for them self. 40p from 10 rounds proves that he shouldn't be in the GP-series. That was in the past, remember your only as good as your last race. Well done Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Official results sheet from Lonigo states that 5th THJ, 6th Pawlicki and 7th Covatti have been balloted. Now until someone explains me otherwise, I say that an error has been made. There should have been a runoff between the three to decide riders fininshing 5th and 6th to make for the three substitutes under the current rules for 2015. With Janowski being 1st substitute as it stands. Dont even mention Zagar, it's irrevelant AT THIS stage. I read somewhere that the lower places are determined by count back if they finish level so your first sentence looks correct. As for 3 substitutes I think they only have 1 now which is Jepsen JENSEN at the moment and will be THJ next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Bomber will likely finish bottom of the pile again as his SGP preparation is obviously hopeless. But he earned the right to try again if he wants to. I for one can't see the point for him as he does himself and his sponsors no favours by being lamentable. But like the other two qualifiers he deserves his place and good luck to all three. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 If he had any sense of pride he wouldn't have accepted a 2014 place to start with. Congratulations. He had a very good meeting when it really counted, but make no mistake, next year will mark the continuation of the "standard Harris GP" form all over again, and again, and again... total embarrassment. how is it ' total embarrassment ' to be mixing it with the worlds best?? In F1 for example there are only a handful of that ever win, but doesn't mean the others shouldn't be there...Christ if he was getting lapped fair enough, but he isn't, just because he doesn't win or is always near the bottom of the pile doesn't mean he's an embarrassment?? It's an achievement surely?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I read somewhere that the lower places are determined by count back if they finish level so your first sentence looks correct. As for 3 substitutes I think they only have 1 now which is Jepsen JENSEN at the moment and will be THJ next year. Cant do countback with similar scores and riders winning each other in rotation. It's a runoff or ballot. Current rulebook says three substitutes. MJJ was and is 3rd on subs list for 2014. Batch and another (Harris?) were before him but were taken in to the series after Gollob and Emil withdrew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Yes by default. So you think he'll finish in the top 8 next season do you? He was given a chance and he grabbed it. That's what sportsmen and women do. Will he finish top 8? Not on this seasons GP showing, but 18 month ago if asked if Tai would have been World Champion I would have said the same. Anything is possible. Harris was given a chance for 2015, he grabbed it. Good luck to him. Shame on the negative people. Edited September 21, 2014 by TheReturn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Like it or not, Harris chose to go through the qualifier route, and made to next years GP series. All credit to him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 If he had any sense of pride he wouldn't have accepted a 2014 place to start with. Congratulations. He had a very good meeting when it really counted, but make no mistake, next year will mark the continuation of the "standard Harris GP" form all over again, and again, and again... total embarrassment. And you know that do you? Get over yourself. As was posted ealier on this page, there was no one else better because he qualified and your "pets" didn't. Qualifying to compete on the highest stage your sport can offer it's not embarrassment it's an achievement and only idiots like you can't see that. Whether he finishes first or last next year matters not. There is a qualification system in place and other much fancied riders couldn't hack it and get through, whereas he did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I know in the old one off final days, that the competition could be brutal and unfair riders often being unlucky and eliminated.Now by Harris qualifying does it show that this system is not bullet proof? no way is he in the top 16 riders in the world.I always thought this GP series were for the best 16 riders in the world even Covatti could of qualified tonight in the old days he would of had to have five good nights to qualify.Harris i like and enjoy watching him ride,and fair play to him he took his chance but would the series not be better off with a Laguta, Kildemand,or both Pawlicki brothers as examples it shows though after all these years the system is still not really FAIR. Don't be ridiculous,it was a "freak" set of circumstances,the guy wasn't expected to do what he did,pull off an incredible ride like that.Fair play too him though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I guess it's up to the new faces to kick the old ones out. Disappointing if you like a change but that's hardly Harris's fault. They had their chance and didn't take it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Official results sheet from Lonigo states that 5th THJ, 6th Pawlicki and 7th Covatti have been balloted. Now until someone explains me otherwise, I say that an error has been made. There should have been a runoff between the three to decide riders fininshing 5th and 6th to make for the three substitutes under the current rules for 2015. With Janowski being 1st substitute as it stands. Dont even mention Zagar, it's irrevelant AT THIS stage. It's no different to Smoli being first reserve last year and not Harris. They had no run-off. BUT they messed up the year before, they used the run-off for 2nd to 6th to also be used for the reserve places, incorrectly. As for Harris being "embarrassing - whats embarrassing, is that despite the fact he's "crap" in the GP, nobody was able to take his place last night. How embarrassing must it be to be for the 100s, if not 1000s of riders who failed to qualify for next seasons GP if Harris is so poor? Losers!! Edited September 21, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Cant do countback with similar scores and riders winning each other in rotation. It's a runoff or ballot. Current rulebook says three substitutes. MJJ was and is 3rd on subs list for 2014. Batch and another (Harris?) were before him but were taken in to the series after Gollob and Emil withdrew. That explains why I thought MJJ was the only substitute but the FIM regs say 077.3.4 Nominated Substitute riders In case of the absence of one or more riders, the first available Nominated Substitute rider or riders, according to their placing in the official Grand Prix “Nominated Substitute Riders list”, will be elevated for that meeting, and take the place of the relevant missing rider or riders. The riders for the official “Nominated Substitute Riders list” will be nominated by the SGP Commission and the SGP Promoter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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