Tsunami Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 The hole was there last season and is still there this season , it really does need sorting out , last nights match sounded like carnage, can't all be down to rider error There isn't, and hasn't been, a "hole' at Brough, since the days of Tom Owen, with his own on the 3rd bend. The track has shale on it, and it is grippy, something a few of your riders forgot last year with Roynon and Howarth going gung-ho and both getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Â Yes I know exactly what people are going to say to this . But can we not sign 2 riders on a short term deal to give Lewis and Chris (Schramm) a month or so to recover. 1. Danny King 11.18 2. Lewis Rose 4.08 3. Stuart Robson 7.50 4. Claes Nedermark 6.20 5. Ludvig Lindgren 7.37 6. Chris Mills 3.00 7. Dan Greenwood 3.00/New 3.00 er I'd prefer to see a full seven man team than R/R being used all of the time. Â Â Do you not think it a good idea to wait to see how long, potentailly, Lewi is out for? Might only be a week or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo133 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 the track has been poor this season for passing , most riders ride mega wide on bends 1 and 2 to find grip which is probably how kerr came off, would it be worth having a more solid lower part to the air fence to stop foot rests dragging riders in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited)  Do you not think it a good idea to wait to see how long, potentailly, Lewi is out for? Might only be a week or two. He has a broken shoulder doesn't he? That's got to be at least 4 weeks  http://instagram.com/p/pTtqJJQlWR/ Edited June 16, 2014 by DIAMONDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) the track has been poor this season for passing , most riders ride mega wide on bends 1 and 2 to find grip which is probably how kerr came off, would it be worth having a more solid lower part to the air fence to stop foot rests dragging riders in? The riders are wanting more lines and at the moment the outside sweep seems to be the preferred line with more grip due to the dirt thrown there. There is also a neat line exiting both the second and forth bends, which gives riders the opportunity to nip in ahead of the racer around the outside line. I think in Kerr's case he rode the dirt but needed to squeeze through when he might have waited for a better opportunity. Interesting you mention the quality of the skirt as, as you say, the present thickness skirt seems to be soft and easily ripped. We have discussed this and are enquiring at the moment of the possibility of a thicker or more durable strength of skirt. It doesn't need to be say like conveyor belting, something half way that is more robust, flexible to fit, and doesn't allow the footrest to stab it as easy. If you remember when that Czech rider in the second half on the second bend, and Ludde on the third bend touched the skirt with falls, both skirts were torn very easily. The skirts cost £50 every time as well. They should be more deflective. Edited June 16, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Â If what you are saying is correct, is not possible to rectify the hazard, or has nobody told the track curator ??? yes it is,,, get all speedway riders to stop being silly and give up their job/hobby and do something safer,,, say like going to a soft-play, or staying in bed,,, Â The hole was there last season and is still there this season , it really does need sorting out , last nights match sounded like carnage, can't all be down to rider error definately not,,, Nick Morris - exciting to watch, pushes it to the limit, but has'nt realised them yet,,, Olly Allen - all over like a cheap suit, accident waiting to happen,,, Pontus Aspirin - did he even try to stick to the track, after he went across the grass ???,,, and Lewis Kerr,,, trying too hard and got caught on the 'safety air fence', a bit ironic that, is the fence to blame ???,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Do you not think it a good idea to wait to see how long, potentailly, Lewi is out for? Might only be a week or two. Hopefully KL send him private in order to get him back asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Â Do you not think it a good idea to wait to see how long, potentailly, Lewi is out for? Might only be a week or two. ffffing hell,,, it's Lewis Kerr, not the 'six million dollar man' !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014  Correct. It was last Sundays weather. I'll let Tsunami explain, as he knows more about it than I do and is probably better explaining these things.  You just have to have the dig don't you? You can't just congratulate him and leave it at that, can you? Are you telling me that Lindgren can Team ride - he can't, or won't - I'll leave you to decide which applies.  I did say that he rode better too.  we did'nt,,, we got a 4-4 instead of a 5-1,,, ooooh, schoolboy error :-0 or, is that because you WON'T accept the 'double points tac-rule' ??? :-) or, did you mean the race with Aaron Fox, not Mills ??? :-) and, as mentioned earlier, Robbo was'nt doing a lot to help Lewis Kerr out, in fact poor Lewis probably got injured by trying too hard to catch his team mate,,, that's what I seen :-(  agree, lol  was Cleas not hanging about last night ;-) Doesn't alter the fact that my comments regarding Team Riding are true and valid though - does it?  Apologies for the error. I can admit when I make a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 ffffing hell,,, it's Lewis Kerr, not the 'six million dollar man' !!! Hey with pins, plates, things an' private medical cover via KL {he is their asset after all and an integral part of their potentially Elite Title winning combo], maybe he will be back without becoming 'Steve Austin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Are you telling me that Lindgren can Team ride - he can't, or won't - I'll leave you to decide which applies. Â I did say that he rode better too. Â Doesn't alter the fact that my comments regarding Team Riding are true and valid though - does it? Â Apologies for the error. I can admit when I make a mistake. yes, it's true,,, you do make comments about team-riding,,, but a lot of comments you make don't seem to be very valid IMO and others too,,, Â Hey with pins, plates, things an' private medical cover via KL {he is their asset after all and an integral part of their potentially Elite Title winning combo], maybe he will be back without becoming 'Steve Austin' 'pink-grip' might work,,, but I do hope they do a good job, don't really wanna rush it, might make it worse in the long run :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 yes, it's true,,, you do make comments about team-riding,,, but a lot of comments you make don't seem to be very valid IMO and others too,,, Â 'pink-grip' might work,,, but I do hope they do a good job, don't really wanna rush it, might make it worse in the long run :-( Cant be any worse than the NHS cowboys who ruined Jase's career though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) ffffing hell,,, it's Lewis Kerr, not the 'six million dollar man' !!! Â I made that comment before knowing the extent of the injuries (as DIAMONDS did). And his girlfriend has since put on Facebook it might be that Lewi "is back earlier than we thought." Edited June 17, 2014 by Steve Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Â I made that comment before knowing the extent of the injuries (as DIAMONDS did). And his girlfriend has since put on Facebook it might be that Lewi "is back earlier than we thought." Fingers crossed that he gives it time to heal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 So by your careful digging, and using your own figures, YOU are saying that there is only 1.2 falls or exclusions for the next worse track to us, and all the others have only one fall or an exclusion per meeting. Konopka manages to put Redcars' average at over 2 per meeting on his own 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Cant be any worse than the NHS cowboys who ruined Jase's career though. that seem's a bit unfair,,, I thought it had something to do with 1 of the twins ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 that seem's a bit unfair,,, I thought it had something to do with 1 of the twins ;-) Â It took ages for Jase to get his knee sorted and even then was it really right! Then his wrist injury just seemed to drag on also. We see the top riders seemingly overcome similar injuries within an highly truncated time span and come back none the worse, so my original case holds water. Did the doctor even realise the sort of sport these lads ride? The truth is he/she had prob. never heard of it and thought they were 'merely' working on some builder or office worker. Cert they did their best, but an expert will only come with moolah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Â We see the top riders seemingly overcome similar injuries within an highly truncated time span and come back none the worse, so my original case holds water. Did the doctor even realise the sort of sport these lads ride? The truth is he/she had prob. never heard of it and thought they were 'merely' working on some builder or office worker. Cert they did their best, but an expert will only come with moolah. If he had it done up here ( prob the freeman) he would have been under an 'expert'..... AL or CL damage is a very serious injury and rehab can take years and sometimes not work.Your post is both unfair and not really factual... The treatment and quality of care of these injuries isn't prejudiced because of ones profession as you suggest also. Â Of course there are cases of mid diagnosis and rehab or advice not working for an individual, but everyone is different and sometimes sh!t happens.... Even the world reknown Richard steadman has made mistakes ie Ryan Taylor,,, they are only human and in my experience certainly not 'cowboys'. Edited June 17, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 If he had it done up here ( prob the freeman) he would have been under an 'expert'..... AL or CL damage is a very serious injury and rehab can take years and sometimes not work. Your post is both unfair and not really factual... The treatment and quality of care of these injuries isn't prejudiced because of ones profession as you suggest also. Â Of course there are cases of mid diagnosis and rehab or advice not working for an individual, but everyone is different and sometimes sh!t happens.... Even the world reknown Richard steadman has made mistakes ie Ryan Taylor,,, they are only human and in my experience certainly not 'cowboys'. Â I did not ever suggest that any 'medico' did not give anything other than their utmost re. Jase's injuries. I merely pointed out that people with a renowned talent tend to work where their talents are most accepted and properly employed. While I accept that in medical matters there are few certainties, surely you must accept that Jason King did not receive the treatment worthy of a professional motorsport person! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) Â I did not ever suggest that any 'medico' did not give anything other than their utmost re. Jase's injuries. I merely pointed out that people with a renowned talent tend to work where their talents are most accepted and properly employed. While I accept that in medical matters there are few certainties, surely you must accept that Jason King did not receive the treatment worthy of a professional motorsport person! surely,,, everyone should be treated the same, sportperson, bin man, kebab shop owner, etc.etc. unless you pay extra for it ;-) I do agree that there are 'cowboys' in every profession, but if you want the best, you've gotta pay for it,,, I thought it was a little unfair that you blamed the NHS for ruining his career,,, that's just my opinion, of course :-( Edited June 18, 2014 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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