FAST GATER Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Taking things a little too far what next worse than touching tapes or moving IMO Edited June 17, 2014 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Any rider getting off his bike at the start should be disqulfied,put a line on track before start line once they have moved forward past it they must not get off bike,unless bike cuts out and needs restarting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 First thing that crossed my mind was that the rider in question was German. Erik Riss DE, heat 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) From tonights Bet365 broadcast of Swindon v Wolverhampton, here are the approximate times taken from two minutes being sounded until tapes were released for each heat (mins:secs): Ht 01: 2:11 Ht 02: 1:53 Ht 03: 2:01 Ht 04: 2.38 Ht 05: (RR) 1.52 (missed first attempt, making tea!) Ht 06: 2:04 (all 4 riders on track when 2 mins sounded) Ht 07: 1:57 Ht 08: Not Sounded Ht 09: 1:21 (3 riders at tapes when 2 mins sounded) Ht 10: 1:39 Ht 11: 1:33 Ht 12: 1:48 & (RR) 2:36 (Worrall arrived at tapes at 1:54) Ht 13: 2:08 Ht 14: 1:57 Ht 15: 2:19 I didn't time Ht 8 but there appeared to be no discernable delay in the race starting without the 2 minutes being sounded. Some leeway awarded to Worrall in the restart of Ht 12 otherwise the slower starts were all attributed to riders not obeying start marshall instructions to approach the tapes. The countdown clock would eradicate that and I'd implement it in the same way as Poland - miss the 2 mins and you're out, no replacement. I have a feeling you've done this to try and highlight what you believe to be a problem when in fact you've done quite the opposite. You've highlighted the complete and utter myth of those claiming it taking 4-5 mins to start a race after the 2 min warning. Which incidentally doesn't mean 2 mins till the tapes are up. So the longest time in any heat was 38 seconds over the 2 mins. Over the course of the 15 heats, the net +/- for starting races based upon 2 mins per race was -38 seconds. So as said, no issue whatsoever. Edited June 23, 2014 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I have a feeling you've done this to try and highlight what you believe to be a problem when in fact you've done quite the opposite. You've highlighted the complete and utter myth of those claiming it taking 4-5 mins to start a race after the 2 min warning. Which incidentally doesn't mean 2 mins till the tapes are up. So the longest time in any heat was 38 seconds over the 2 mins. Over the course of the 15 heats, the net +/- for starting races based upon 2 mins per race was -38 seconds. So as said, no issue whatsoever. Well, actually every single time it goes over two minutes is a problem. The time allowance is exactly 2 minutes (dont know or care why), so the ref allowing to go over is therefor favouring some riders over others By not exluding them. For the meeting as a whole, that seems not to be a problem. But with a ref that at times goes By the rules, goes By the rules if the riders do and then once in a blue moon actually knows what he's supposed to do... What to do with that ref is the question?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Well, actually every single time it goes over two minutes is a problem. The time allowance is exactly 2 minutes (dont know or care why), so the ref allowing to go over is therefor favouring some riders over others By not exluding them. For the meeting as a whole, that seems not to be a problem. But with a ref that at times goes By the rules, goes By the rules if the riders do and then once in a blue moon actually knows what he's supposed to do... What to do with that ref is the question?!? The 2 mins is not till the tapes are up, hence when a rider is under power and on his way to the start line he is not excluded. As said, it's a myth that races somehow take longer to start now than before. I agree, riders returning to the pits after an unsatisfactory start is a pain, they should be called straight back to the start and the pit gate remain closed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 The 2 mins is not till the tapes are up, hence when a rider is under power and on his way to the start line he is not excluded. I disagree, but English is not my native tongue. This is from the rule book: 15.3.4 Riders must be either “ready to race” or provided the Rider is in the correct Gate Position and is “under the control of the Start Marshal” within the permitted Time Allowance. Failure to comply is a Starting offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I disagree, but English is not my native tongue. This is from the rule book: 15.3.4 Riders must be either “ready to race” or provided the Rider is in the correct Gate Position and is “under the control of the Start Marshal” within the permitted Time Allowance. Failure to comply is a Starting offence. As I said, that doesn't say the race starts after 2 mins. That rule is terribly worded though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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