barrow boy Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Messing about at the starting gate has now become very silly and is causing a lot of wasted time and aggravation all around. What can be done about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Simple let em roll and risk touching tapes then chuck em out or start 15 metres back if they get a flyer good luck to them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbt Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 The referees should start excluding them for delaying the start or not being ready to race,a few exclusions would soon sort it out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 The ref put's the 2 minute warning on when riders enter the track. If a rider is not ready to start when that time runs out, he's excluded. The rider has two minutes. If it turns out he's had more, the ref is a tosser. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Riders have 2 minutes to reach the tapes, and once all 4 are at the gate, they have 20 seconds to 'dig' and if you mess about after that, your excluded, and have to go from 15 back. That will punish the rider and team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Riders who hold back until the others have moved up also is a time waster and when more than one rider wants to line up last it seems to take forever to get them away. I would suggest that in all races the riders should be made to line up in grid order from 1 to 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I've seen it happen when the referee just runs out of patience . A Workington v Glasgow meeting in 2005 , the ref put both Carl Stonehewer and Shane Parker back 15 metres after the pair took an age to settle at the tapes . Seems the referee is the only person who can really put a stop to all this nonsense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 They should do what they do in the GP and have a clock on the centre showing how much of the 2 mins is left, if a rider isn't ready, he's out. It works brilliantly in the GP, a few riders got excluded once and it never happened again. Generally speedway is run in such a slap dash way that (perhaps it should be renamed to this, slapdashway) that the 2 mins can easily end up being 3, yes I have timed it in the past (anorak!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icescot Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Adopt a standard solid surface starting area with no gardening possible all gates the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 We will soon have the juniors copying the "big boys" and turning back after a practice start and re- adjusting the chain.Who invented that load of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 There used to be concrete start gates years ago I believe in the fifties. Does anyone know why they were dispensed with ?? It's so frustrating having all these false starts nowadays I'd like to see a consistent surface used in the starting grids so there is no gardening. Must have been a reason why concrete start grids were stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Riders who hold back until the others have moved up also is a time waster and when more than one rider wants to line up last it seems to take forever to get them away. I would suggest that in all races the riders should be made to line up in grid order from 1 to 4. That is the rule. The starting marshal should call then to the tapes from gate 1 to gate 4. Anyone disobeying the starting marshal should be excluded disqualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 1 Go back to concrete starts, stops all that gardening. 2 Have a line, a few yards short of the tapes, when all the riders are ready, bring them forward to the tapes, and off you go, no gardening. 3 Once you put the two minutes on, the race will start within that two minutes, have a clock at the start line as they do in SGP. 4 Have a referees strong enough to start excluding riders for delaying starts, if they ALL did that it would soon stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 There used to be concrete start gates years ago I believe in the fifties. Does anyone know why they were dispensed with ?? It's so frustrating having all these false starts nowadays I'd like to see a consistent surface used in the starting grids so there is no gardening. Must have been a reason why concrete start grids were stopped. Perhaps in case a rider flips at the start? I can remember one at Leicester who broke his back but at the moment due to a complete memory loss I can't think who it was. I always used to know so I must be cracking up faster than I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I reckon there is far less gardening now than the 70s and 80s and tge whole start ing procesd is much cleaner and fairer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 And the bspa rule book says you have to be race ready within the given two minute time allowance. Riders are not the problem here, referee's are. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Simply when the two minutes is up release the tapes, if a rider is still p1shing about 10 yards behind the tapes tough. You'll soon see riders ready at the tapes in record time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 That is the rule. The starting marshal should call then to the tapes from gate 1 to gate 4. Anyone disobeying the starting marshal should be excluded disqualified. And if the starting marshal tries to get riders to come into line, you get riders like Iversen throw a strop and swing their wheel at them... then you get the fans moaning about the marshal! I agree completely with you by the way. I reckon there is far less gardening now than the 70s and 80s and tge whole start ing procesd is much cleaner and fairer. Spot on. Amazes me to see people complaining about delays then advocating a return to the old starting system which took far longer to start a race.. and was much less fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I must say I quiet enjoy the build up to each race? Getting the line up read out as the riders are at the tapes, seeing who's off what gate, anticipating who's going to make the break first, who's the better gater, who looks comfortable on his bike, who looks raring to go, who can take the pressure better than his opponent.. All this in 2 minutes. I think it creates the excitement of the race, especially if it's a last heat decider etc. Maybe it's just me.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I must say I quiet enjoy the build up to each race? Getting the line up read out as the riders are at the tapes, seeing who's off what gate, anticipating who's going to make the break first, who's the better gater, who looks comfortable on his bike, who looks raring to go, who can take the pressure better than his opponent.. All this in 2 minutes. I think it creates the excitement of the race, especially if it's a last heat decider etc. Maybe it's just me.... Not got a problem either to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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