Old Crusader Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 BH Monday meetings I can make @ Rye - Sunday's I work so you know where my thoughts are on that one. I've mentioned it on the Rye thread but he we go again - the airfence would have been either mostly or totally covered by the money recieved from the landfill ! We all know Len makes a profit from Rye. Having checked the forecast I'm very surprised this meeting is off - worth keeping an eye on the weather! another shot in the foot by the KK. Sorry I don't get to Rye much these days. What is the story with the landfill, if you don't mind revealing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I've had a text saying it's sunny at the stadium and some fans turned up expecting to see a meeting. A couple of my mates had wasted journeys. I always check to see if it's on, even on a dry day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Kent and Rye House situations cannot in any way be compared Yes there are some similarities that both clubs own their own stadia which serve both clubs well, Len Silver is co promoter at both tracks but in Kent's situation that was a requirement for a new promotion. There the story ends Operating in different leagues with different goals. Rye House have a history of being a relatively successful club and that is where most of the problems lie for us. Kent on the other hand are attempting two things ...one to become established in the sport which they have managed very well. The other is to have a more liberal licence that allows more usage, later start / finish times more racing etc. if that is granted then it would seem logical that they would be in a position to move up. To be fair i firmly believe that Rye House have suffered badly since Mr Silver became involved at Kent rather than the other way round. Not only is it the time consumption that is a problem but also the fact that Bank Holiday meetings no longer take place at Hoddesdon as the Promotion are busy in a Kent, Rye have had to revert to a 2PM start on a sunday that no only clashes with Mildenhall but isn't particularly welcomed by the fans either. Furthermore the cheap weak side that Rye House have put out is partly because of the large expense of the airfence which has seen two popular Swedish riders leave the club due to costs. The addition of a rider like Steve Boxall to Rye House as second heat leader has quite frankly become a joke. He may have got away with sub standard machinery in the NL but currently is barely a reserve standard in the PL. These are some of the reasons that there is unrest at Rye none of which affect Kent. I take your point, and you are obviously more aware of the situation between the two Teams/Clubs, however as a non local, but as a Speedway fan, i do read a fair amount and draw conclusions be they right or wrong. Rye House Run by the same people as Kent Kings, Len Silver & Co, Rye House on a downward spirral on track, on a downward spirral supporter wise, and PR none exsistant, except for my way or no way.. supporters nowadays simply wont put up with that attitude in this day and age, otherwise they will vote with there feet. Kent Kings Great Stadium, fantastic potential,great catchment area BUT Crowds are down, Track isnt perfect, Team has weaknesses, and PR has gone the same way as RH almost none exsistant, can anyone point me in one direction that Kent is an improvement on Rye House ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I take your point, and you are obviously more aware of the situation between the two Teams/Clubs, however as a non local, but as a Speedway fan, i do read a fair amount and draw conclusions be they right or wrong. Rye House Run by the same people as Kent Kings, Len Silver & Co, Rye House on a downward spirral on track, on a downward spirral supporter wise, and PR none exsistant, except for my way or no way.. supporters nowadays simply wont put up with that attitude in this day and age, otherwise they will vote with there feet. Kent Kings Great Stadium, fantastic potential,great catchment area BUT Crowds are down, Track isnt perfect, Team has weaknesses, and PR has gone the same way as RH almost none exsistant, can anyone point me in one direction that Kent is an improvement on Rye House ?. You speak sense and I believe most is true. I do not like Silver & co being at KK and it is also the view of others. Crowds dropping off due to many reasons. And look at tonight,meeting called off and it sounds as if weather is not as bad as expected (unless anyone knows different). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 You speak sense and I believe most is true. I do not like Silver & co being at KK and it is also the view of others. Crowds dropping off due to many reasons. And look at tonight,meeting called off and it sounds as if weather is not as bad as expected (unless anyone knows different). Probably be re-staged. Oh whens Benji back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Some interesting points about PR, the Rye House connection etc above. Its true to say the PR, Media and Commercial aspects of the Kings before the first season started and in the first half of that year were run by people who were only interested in the Kings and had NO connection to Rye House. From mid season it certainly changed with both Rye House promoters being involved on match days which, with other Silverski employees also involved, led to a major split. By the end of ladt season the PR, Media abd Commercial sides left the club due to the increased Rye House elements and the blurring of the lines between Kent and Rye House. It is fair to say Mr Silver was always totally in charge of the building of the track and has been soley in charge of its maintenence since. It does look like some fans now share sone of these concerns but at the end of the day Mr Cearns wants Mr Silver running the Kings and thats all that matters. Im sure the Kings will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Probably be re-staged. Oh whens Benji back? And Morley ??? Some interesting points about PR, the Rye House connection etc above. Its true to say the PR, Media and Commercial aspects of the Kings before the first season started and in the first half of that year were run by people who were only interested in the Kings and had NO connection to Rye House. From mid season it certainly changed with both Rye House promoters being involved on match days which, with other Silverski employees also involved, led to a major split. By the end of ladt season the PR, Media abd Commercial sides left the club due to the increased Rye House elements and the blurring of the lines between Kent and Rye House. It is fair to say Mr Silver was always totally in charge of the building of the track and has been soley in charge of its maintenence since. It does look like some fans now share sone of these concerns but at the end of the day Mr Cearns wants Mr Silver running the Kings and thats all that matters. Im sure the Kings will be fine. Cannot help but think unless Mr Cearns changes direction your last paragraph maybe wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonsDen Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Sorry I don't get to Rye much these days. What is the story with the landfill, if you don't mind revealing it? The airfence blocks the spectators view on the bends - Len had landfill in to raise the ground of the bends to allow some view, it’s like watching the riders disappear down a tunnel though! I've had a text saying it's sunny at the stadium and some fans turned up expecting to see a meeting. A couple of my mates had wasted journeys. I always check to see if it's on, even on a dry day! Does this mean the powers that be will be investigating the reason to call it off like they did with BV? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 How many times has len pulled the plug on what turned out to be a dry day. No investigations where uncle len is concerned, he is untouchable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN2 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 The Official Kent Kings Facebook page says the meeting was called off due to a waterlogged track, did not state if the water came from the sky, the ground or from watering, but it was off before 12 noon. I got sun burned all day long, so the water did not come from the sky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 The Official Kent Kings Facebook page says the meeting was called off due to a waterlogged track, did not state if the water came from the sky, the ground or from watering, but it was off before 12 noon. I got sun burned all day long, so the water did not come from the sky.i rest my case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 How many times has len pulled the plug on what turned out to be a dry day. No investigations where uncle len is concerned, he is untouchable! I agree Tony and this kind of caper does a great deal of damage to the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I agree Tony and this kind of caper does a great deal of damage to the sport.today is the main reason I now go to eastbourne instead of rye most Saturdays. Bob dugard will always do his best to get a meeting on regardless of weather forecasts and line ups, and that Eddie, is good enough for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Here's the clipart used on the Kings' website, to accompany the explanation about the postponement. Seems pretty clear to me they're blaming it on the weather. However, it was a bad call, because the decision was based on the weather forecast, not the prevailing conditions. Although we had some showers during the late afternoon and very early evening, it turned out to be a glorious speedway kind of night. Therefore, you have to wonder if there was an ulterior motive behind the announcement. Edited June 10, 2014 by Kent Whistle Gang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 And Morley ??? And Morley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Here's the clipart used on the Kings' website, to accompany the explanation about the postponement. Seems pretty clear to me they're blaming it on the weather. However, it was a bad call, because the decision was based on the weather forecast, not the prevailing conditions. Although we had some showers during the late afternoon and very early evening, it turned out to be a glorious speedway kind of night. Therefore, you have to wonder if there was an ulterior motive behind the announcement. You may be closer than me,so I'm not disputing what your saying but I'm 15 minutes away, and we had no rain, not even a shower all day, in fact I would go as far as to say it was the nicest day of the year so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Maybe it was raining at Rye House, and the management forgot, it was Kent they were running on mondays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 to be fair the met office forecast in the morning made me decide early on I wasn't going to risk this..trouble is by p.m. it had totally changed...on this occasion i can understand why the decision was taken. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 to be fair the met office forecast in the morning made me decide early on I wasn't going to risk this..trouble is by p.m. it had totally changed...on this occasion i can understand why the decision was taken.the thing is mike, the forecast had changed by lunchtime. Surely as a promoter you have to give the meeting every chance of being run. Some of those fans that turned up last night will think twice about making a return visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) the thing is mike, the forecast had changed by lunchtime. Surely as a promoter you have to give the meeting every chance of being run. Some of those fans that turned up last night will think twice about making a return visit. My theory is that the track somehow got waterlogged and they just said it was because of the forecast. And what sort of crowd is going to turn up next Monday - British Speedway Championship is on Sky and World Cup on ? Edited June 10, 2014 by AJ is King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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