Belle Vue V Lakeside 9/6/14

[CardinalSin]

Definitely looking right, towards Gate 4, during the entire time. So unless Nicholls can see out his arse (albeit Pearson & Tatum believe the sun shines out of it) then there is NO WAY he saw PK move (all of a centimetre I should add).

 

 

 

 

No. He honestly wasn't.

 

I was specifically watching Nicholls to see if he could trap again out of Gate 2.

 

He was definitely, beyond any doubt whatsoever, looking towards his RIGHT during the entire time.

 

 

If Nicholls was looking left, then he must have had his helmet on back to front.

Having just seen it again on Sky, you're definitely wrong I'm afraid. He looks left, not right so that clears that one up.

[acef]

Still one or two people doing nothing but moan about the quality of racing. Those people need to find a dark room, give there heads a wobble and knock on when your ready to come back to planet earth.

 

I travel up and down the country watching speedway, live, trackside. I happen to live in manchester so support belle vue, and that was the best meeting I've watched in months. From leicster, to Sheffield, Birmingham, you name it.

 

Some people need to drop their agendas, and I include some riders in particular one who was spouting off again tonight.

 

A perfectly prepared track considering the weather. Congratulations to BV on presenting themselves the way they did. One of the best sky meetings this year.

[mdmc82]

I enjoyed this meeting. Although as a neutral, I would have liked a Belle Vue win and think it would have been if Cook had been in and Bridger instead of Rory but thats what happens when teams depleted.

 

Thought the racing was good. Really felt for Scott in heat 15 as could tell he was gutted. Other rider rolling caused it.

[E I Addio]

Excellent performance by the Aces considering most expected them to lose without Cook.

Congratulations to Lakeside on the draw but with two guests, who probably did better than the riders they replaced and r/r for Cook netting only 5 paid 6, they should have won.

Despite some of the comments on here I thoroughly enjoyed it. There we some good races and the tightness of the scores added to the entertainment.

BV fans might have expected their team to lose without Cook but Lakeside fans are more familiar with the Hammers problem with fading in the second half of the match. Even Niel Vatcher mentioned it, so I would certainly have taken a point before the start. Two is a bonus.

 

If Cook had been there he would still have to go off the poor gates 2and 3, plus face the same slick track, which,as with Watt can mean working hard for not much. It really all comes under the heading of "what if".

 

Shame the audience didn't get to see the best of Mikkel Bech, but considering Lakeside had three riders who were riding track for the first time, they will be relieved to take a couple of points from a track where not many visitors take much this year.

Still one or two people doing nothing but moan about the quality of racing. Those people need to find a dark room, give there heads a wobble and knock on when your ready to come back to planet earth.

I travel up and down the country watching speedway, live, trackside. I happen to live in manchester so support belle vue, and that was the best meeting I've watched in months. From leicster, to Sheffield, Birmingham, you name it.

Some people need to drop their agendas, and I include some riders in particular one who was spouting off again tonight.

A perfectly prepared track considering the weather. Congratulations to BV on presenting themselves the way they did. One of the best sky meetings this year.

We'll said . As long as we have dodgy weather in this country we will have tracks that are less than perfect. It's made worse by the fact that speedway is a sport that depends on noise and atmosphere so watching on TV always makes it seem worse than actually being there. Those posters who come on here week after week moaning about the racing, instead of changing channels if they don't like it are just making fools of themselves.

[Mike.Butler]

enjoyed it on sky. wished i had been there having only made the car park lastweek.

[Aces51]

It was good to see PK riding so well. Just wish he had chosen a different match to show he can still do it. 😁

 

Also, impressed by Lee Payne in his first home match. Considering his lack of experience, he was in the mix, never gave up and scored a few points. Looks to have the potential to progress and will benefit from the fast track system.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Aces51

[TonyE]

Starting Marshalls on TV this year have been particularly poor - you rarely see them making any effort to get riders up to the tapes, let alone actually talking to them. Just standing thee and waving your arms is a waste of time - they might as well not be there at all.

They need the 'support' of the meeting referee for, without that, the scenario becomes as you describe.

[semion]

What they should have is female starting Marshalls... Bit like the old time NHS Matron. Now who would argue with them ?

[woodenspoon]

I do not think that PK can be blamed for Scottie touching the tapes in heat 15, Scottie is old and experienced enough , not to fall for that trick, if indeed PK moved at all, it must have only been slightly.

Two tape exclusions cost BV dearly, and if Zagar had intended to go through the tapes in heat one, why didn't they get Palm Toft to do it, giving BVs No1 a better chance from the tapes.

Track was OK in the circumstances, but played right into the strengths of Lakeside, and Davey Watt wants to wind his neck in, totally uncalled for comments, did he get booed after his lack lustre performance as a guest for BV at Eastbourne over the weekend I wonder, at least BV know now never to ask him to guest for them again.

I always feel now that a draw is a like you have lost the meeting, BV's chances of making the Play-Offs are getting further away.

[The Voice Of Reason]

And just to add another example, if indeed any was needed, or Sky's biased reporting. The strap-line on their website for last night's meeting today reads 'Aces High after fightback'.

 

So despite Belle Vue losing out two points at home and not actually winning - no story, nor inference throughout the subsequent report, of how we actually did so well; being the only team to have gone to Kirky Lane this season and taken anything away. Even Poole got tonked there at the end of April.

 

And as for last night's meeting:

 

- Constant references of how Belle Vue were missing Cook. No mention whatsoever of how we were similarly missing Richard Lawson.

 

- To counterbalance Cook's absence, no mention of how Simon Stead's contribution of 10 points was much higher than that return usually scored by Worrall.

 

- Constant references relating how wonderful Scott Nicholls performs at Belle Vue, despite him scoring only 8 points from 6 rides.

 

- An accusation by Tatum that PK's movement led Nicholls to break the tapes - clearly not the case. Fair play to Pearson on that one - he kept totally schtum during the replay as he could clearly see that is counterpart was clearly talking out of his backside.

 

- Questions over Rory going wide on the first bend (causing Lee Payne to fall) which "could have been viewed differently by some refs" - despite the fact Rory was at least a bike length in front; whereas Nicholls going wide and nearly taking Davey out was viewed as 'a great move'.

 

- No meaningful recognition of our efforts in getting two away points; the emphasis in commentary being solely how Belle Vue had pulled it back.

 

But thinking back to last night's meeting I'm still bloody incensed at how Sky forever appear to have this stance of being anti-Hammers.

 

Fair Play to The Aces for getting a draw last night - nothing whatsoever against Belle Vue.

 

But unfortunately, the term 'fair play' cannot be similarly attributed to Pearson, Tatum nor any of the rest of the Sky Speedway 'happy little quango back-slappers club'. Personally, I just wish that last season's coverage would have been Sky's last; and possibly for the reigns to be taken over by someone else. In my honest opinion, Sky needs Speedway more than Speedway needs Sky!

[Scott1412]

I do not think that PK can be blamed for Scottie touching the tapes in heat 15, Scottie is old and experienced enough , not to fall for that trick, if indeed PK moved at all, it must have only been slightly.

Two tape exclusions cost BV dearly, and if Zagar had intended to go through the tapes in heat one, why didn't they get Palm Toft to do it, giving BVs No1 a better chance from the tapes.

Track was OK in the circumstances, but played right into the strengths of Lakeside, and Davey Watt wants to wind his neck in, totally uncalled for comments, did he get booed after his lack lustre performance as a guest for BV at Eastbourne over the weekend I wonder, at least BV know now never to ask him to guest for them again.

I always feel now that a draw is a like you have lost the meeting, BV's chances of making the Play-Offs are getting further away.

 

I think the reason Zagar touched the tapes in heat 1 was he probably felt he could catch the 2 lakeside riders from 15 meters if Palm Toft made a start off gate 1, had palm toft touched the tapes never in a million years would he have caught the 2 lakeside riders meaning at best it would have been a 3-3 even though that would have been better than a 5-1.

[Paulco]

And just to add another example, if indeed any was needed, or Sky's biased reporting. The strap-line on their website for last night's meeting today reads 'Aces High after fightback'.

 

So despite Belle Vue losing out two points at home and not actually winning - no story, nor inference throughout the subsequent report, of how we actually did so well; being the only team to have gone to Kirky Lane this season and taken anything away. Even Poole got tonked there at the end of April.

 

And as for last night's meeting:

 

- Constant references of how Belle Vue were missing Cook. No mention whatsoever of how we were similarly missing Richard Lawson.

 

- To counterbalance Cook's absence, no mention of how Simon Stead's contribution of 10 points was much higher than that return usually scored by Worrall.

 

- Constant references relating how wonderful Scott Nicholls performs at Belle Vue, despite him scoring only 8 points from 6 rides.

 

- An accusation by Tatum that PK's movement led Nicholls to break the tapes - clearly not the case. Fair play to Pearson on that one - he kept totally schtum during the replay as he could clearly see that is counterpart was clearly talking out of his backside.

 

- Questions over Rory going wide on the first bend (causing Lee Payne to fall) which "could have been viewed differently by some refs" - despite the fact Rory was at least a bike length in front; whereas Nicholls going wide and nearly taking Davey out was viewed as 'a great move'.

 

- No meaningful recognition of our efforts in getting two away points; the emphasis in commentary being solely how Belle Vue had pulled it back.

 

But thinking back to last night's meeting I'm still bloody incensed at how Sky forever appear to have this stance of being anti-Hammers.

 

Fair Play to The Aces for getting a draw last night - nothing whatsoever against Belle Vue.

 

But unfortunately, the term 'fair play' cannot be similarly attributed to Pearson, Tatum nor any of the rest of the Sky Speedway 'happy little quango back-slappers club'. Personally, I just wish that last season's coverage would have been Sky's last; and possibly for the reigns to be taken over by someone else. In my honest opinion, Sky needs Speedway more than Speedway needs Sky!

Blimey , talk about being paranoid . As a neutral watching it , i didn't find SKY's coverage particularly biased one way or another . They were particularly complementary to the riding of Stuart Robson .

Tatum talks out of his arse most weeks , i wouldn't let that bother you . But as for SKY needing speedway more than speedway needs SKY !!!!!!!!!!!! think you might want to rethink that one .

[Fromafar]

And just to add another example, if indeed any was needed, or Sky's biased reporting. The strap-line on their website for last night's meeting today reads 'Aces High after fightback'.

So despite Belle Vue losing out two points at home and not actually winning - no story, nor inference throughout the subsequent report, of how we actually did so well; being the only team to have gone to Kirky Lane this season and taken anything away. Even Poole got tonked there at the end of April.

And as for last night's meeting:

- Constant references of how Belle Vue were missing Cook. No mention whatsoever of how we were similarly missing Richard Lawson.

- To counterbalance Cook's absence, no mention of how Simon Stead's contribution of 10 points was much higher than that return usually scored by Worrall.

- Constant references relating how wonderful Scott Nicholls performs at Belle Vue, despite him scoring only 8 points from 6 rides.

- An accusation by Tatum that PK's movement led Nicholls to break the tapes - clearly not the case. Fair play to Pearson on that one - he kept totally schtum during the replay as he could clearly see that is counterpart was clearly talking out of his backside.

- Questions over Rory going wide on the first bend (causing Lee Payne to fall) which "could have been viewed differently by some refs" - despite the fact Rory was at least a bike length in front; whereas Nicholls going wide and nearly taking Davey out was viewed as 'a great move'.

- No meaningful recognition of our efforts in getting two away points; the emphasis in commentary being solely how Belle Vue had pulled it back.

But thinking back to last night's meeting I'm still bloody incensed at how Sky forever appear to have this stance of being anti-Hammers.

Fair Play to The Aces for getting a draw last night - nothing whatsoever against Belle Vue.

But unfortunately, the term 'fair play' cannot be similarly attributed to Pearson, Tatum nor any of the rest of the Sky Speedway 'happy little quango back-slappers club'. Personally, I just wish that last season's coverage would have been Sky's last; and possibly for the reigns to be taken over by someone else. In my honest opinion, Sky needs Speedway more than Speedway needs Sky!

Somebody must have upset Kelvin when he rode for Hammers,and as in his riding days he was easily upset.Probably still bears a grudge .Turn the volume off it makes Sky meetings more enjoyable.

[The Voice Of Reason]

Blimey , talk about being paranoid . As a neutral watching it , i didn't find SKY's coverage particularly biased one way or another . They were particularly complementary to the riding of Stuart Robson .

Tatum talks out of his arse most weeks , i wouldn't let that bother you . But as for SKY needing speedway more than speedway needs SKY !!!!!!!!!!!! think you might want to rethink that one .

 

But as a neutral, maybe you don't listen as much as some Hammers fans and have an entirely different perception.

 

As for Sky coverage. No thanks. Thought about it a lot.

 

What's the benefits of Sky?

 

Money for clubs? From what I am led to believe, their contribution doesn't even cover the reduced attendance when their cameras are in town.

 

Increasing the awareness of the sport? Of course, we can all see how many thousands more spectators their coverage of the sport has put on our gates.

 

Maybe you'd like to outline what you feel the benefits are - particularly focussing upon how much each club receives via their wonderful financial contribution?

[Paulco]

 

Maybe you'd like to outline what you feel the benefits are - particularly focussing upon how much each club receives via their wonderful financial contribution?

Hard to fathom out why Speedway hasn't flourished in the way the likes of Darts and Rugby has thanks to SKY's coverage . Maybe it's something to do with the people running the sport , though i might be wrong . Anyway , on a Monday night gives us all something to watch other than Coronation Street and Eastenders

[mudflaps]

anyone notice Zager flick the bird upside down pointing at his ar$e after his heat 13 win..

as if to say feck you kiss my Ar$e?

 

 

definite needle between the two superstars....

Edited June 10, 2014 by Flyin Panther

[Paulco]

anyone notice Zager flick the bird upside down pointing at his ar$e after his heat 13 win..

as if to say feck you kiss my Ar$e?

 

 

definite between the two superstars....

yes i did

[Odds On]

anyone notice Zager flick the bird upside down pointing at his ar$e after his heat 13 win..

as if to say feck you kiss my Ar$e?

 

 

definite between the two superstars....

 

Thought it was heat 15?...Watt was taking the pizz in the pits at Zagar after Nicholls had touched the tapes, must of been the only thing Watt had to laugh about all night, same as Schlein tbh, he's at a level where he isnt going to get any better and is slowly but surely slipping downwards.

Heat 15 quite visibly meant a lot to Zagar.

[ProudtobeaBrummie]

Was it aimed at sclein for laughing so heavily at him for the heat 1 breaking off the tapes

[mudflaps]

it was defo heat 13 as I thought it was rather harsh on PK who I thought had finished 3rd..

It was in fact watt who finished in 3rd!