Falcon Hammer Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Track was much better tonight. First time this season I've seen some great racing wide on T3/4. Seems our boys were really up for it tonight, didn't let the Aces get a foot in the door. Great team performance, might be a bit tougher on Monday tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Well done to Lakeside. A very poor performance from the Aces. The only saving grace is that once they got dialled in they actually outscored Lakeside over the last six heats 16-20. However, that is no consolation, they should have come to terms with the track much sooner. Well done to Lakeside. A very poor performance from the Aces. The only saving grace is that once they got dialled in they actually outscored Lakeside over the last six heats 16-20. However, that is no consolation, they should have come to terms with the track much sooner. As much as I like Matej Zagar and enjoy watching him I can't help feeling he was only going at eight-tenths tonight and has one eye on the GP's . He certainly didn't look like the rider that used to come down with Swindon a few years ago . Jason Attwood himself said that with Belle Vues line up they should have had an away win by now, and when you look at the side on paper, he is probably right. Up to him now as T.M. To start reading the Riot Act and get them going otherwise it should be his job on the line. Talking of team mangers has Niel Vatcher had a Dr Who type transformation because he looks remarkably like Phil Morris now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Well what a thumping BV were cheese on toast, Lakeside meant business last night which showed from a spectators point of view an awful meeting but for Lakeside points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Ouch, that one hurt! Well done Lakeside, we got well and truly mullered!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 I've been saying this for nearly thirty years but Aces riders need to learn how to gate. It's boring, it's mundane but at least you win. That's modern day speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 These meaningless early season pokc qualifiers do throw up some unusual results, nobody could have predicted a very ordinary Lakeside team doing that even though it was against the worst away team in the league. Having said that it's not on for almost every rider in the team to be testing set-ups (like Leigh Adams admitted to doing on TV in a meaningless top v 2nd meeting) in the same meeting and some coordination is called for to stop fans being even more short changed by a system that allows a team to lose nearly half their meetings and still win the pokc in the rain at the end of the season. Do you know for a fact that they were testing set-ups ? The reason I ask is that I can't see how testing set-ups at a track like Lakeside is going to help them on any other track ? Scotty , Zagar and Worrall have done enough laps at Lakeside to know what's needed and to hit the ground running. I have seen Richie Worrall three times this year, twice at PL tracks and then at Lakeside. In those three meetings he hasn't passed a single rider and made it stick but about 4or5 times he has been passed by others almost every time by drifting too wide on the bends and letting the opponent through .That doesn't seem to me like arider testing set-ups, more like someone stuck in a bit of a rut perhaps. My take on it (andI am not saying I know more than anyone else ) is that BV is not a well managed club. When the team manager himself says they should have had an away win by now and they haven't had one,the fans are entitled to ask what the management are doing about it. The riders are not testing set-ups at every away meeting, but if anything like that is going on its down to the TM to get it sorted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 As you say E I Addio, makes no sense to be testing set ups at Lakeside. Truth is that apart from a draw at Wolves and a couple of losses just over the 6 points to get anything out of it, we are poor away. My reading is that Cook and Worrall have not been at their best away from home all season. In fact Worrall is not doing that well at home either. Zagar also seems to be missing that edge he had last year. I don't think it's anything unusual, riders have these spells all the time. What is causing the damage is to have three riders not at their best at the same time. The problem is then made worse by having only one reliable reserve. Even he had an of night last night. The bright spots are Nicholls, Palm-Toft and Nielsen. Attwood can only do so much. He creates the right sort of atmosphere for a good team spirit and the riders relate to him. Belle Vue are not generally known for getting rid of riders and I wouldn't want to see Cook, Worrall or Zagar replaced. They have the ability and I prefer to show loyalty and hope they ride back to their best form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Just how would you establish someone was testing a setup etc? Unless an admission is made, and that is unlikely if severe sanctions are to be applied, I feel you are on a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 As you say E I Addio, makes no sense to be testing set ups at Lakeside. Truth is that apart from a draw at Wolves and a couple of losses just over the 6 points to get anything out of it, we are poor away. My reading is that Cook and Worrall have not been at their best away from home all season. In fact Worrall is not doing that well at home either. Zagar also seems to be missing that edge he had last year. I don't think it's anything unusual, riders have these spells all the time. What is causing the damage is to have three riders not at their best at the same time. The problem is then made worse by having only one reliable reserve. Even he had an of night last night. The bright spots are Nicholls, Palm-Toft and Nielsen. Attwood can only do so much. He creates the right sort of atmosphere for a good team spirit and the riders relate to him. Belle Vue are not generally known for getting rid of riders and I wouldn't want to see Cook, Worrall or Zagar replaced. They have the ability and I prefer to show loyalty and hope they ride back to their best form. A former Lakeside rider who do longer competes in th UK once told me that it is very difficult to concentrate properly on 3 leagues in 3 countries at the same time and having the GP's on top of that it is even harder. Hence we have now seen Freddie Lindgrens become the latest in a long line of Gp riders to ditch the UK to concentrate their efforts more fully elsewhere. I don't think the average fan appreciates that riders like Leigh Adams are the exceptions and the majority can only give their full efforts to a certain number of meetings a year before their form dips. Maybe that is Matej's problem, too much riding. In terms of actual skill on the motor bike he really is quite exceptional, better than most but as you say, something is not quite happening for him this year in the UK but his GP form confirms his class. But IMO the suggestion elsewhere that it is down to testing set-ups beggars belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Of course if u ditch the playoffs the number of meaningless meetings increases massively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Of course if u ditch the playoffs the number of meaningless meetings increases massively And the majority of tracks would have a full season of home fixtures, instead of finishing come late Aug/early Sept... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Well can't believe I wasted some hard earned coins to watch that rubbish. We just didn't show up. TBH no one looked interested. I think riders will be looking over there shoulders has these away performance ain't good enough Well done lakeside anyway they rode hard and with determination 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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