Belle Vue National Stadium

[OveFundinFan]

Are you suggesting that DG was behind all the rubbish put into the corner 3-4 build including nappies and a tarmac play pitch left intact.????

 

Perhaps he was so cheesed off by the forces working against him. Most people can only stand so much then cave in to the pressures.

Edited February 14, 2017 by OveFundinFan

[orion]

Are you suggesting that DG was behind all the rubbish put into the corner 3-4 build including nappies and a tarmac play pitch left intact.????

 

Perhaps he was so cheesed off by the forces working against him. Most people can only stand so much then cave in to the pressures.

No one has suggested that ..but that is not be all and end all why Belle Vue went ** up this season ....Gordon was a massive part of why is went wrong including the opening night and was quite rightly was going to be have his licence revoked , Even Morton in the end did not want to be associated with his comments or his side of the story .

Edited February 14, 2017 by orion

[New Science]

Are you suggesting that DG was behind all the rubbish put into the corner 3-4 build including nappies and a tarmac play pitch left intact.????

 

Perhaps he was so cheesed off by the forces working against him. Most people can only stand so much then cave in to the pressures.

Its a bit convenient that Gordon retires 3 days before he was effectively struck off, He knew it was going to happen and tried to site retirement to make his departure look more honourable before his speedway colleagues effectively binned him from the sport.Reading the clerk of the courses report the problems with the track were noticed at lunchtime of that day, it can't have been the first time that week that it was noticeable that the track was soft on bends 3-4. Due to the admitted financial pressure already on the promotion cancelling was not a viable financial option and they decided to muddle it through, hoping the riders would play ball and spectators would understand and put up with a track that was at best ride able . Unfortunately in the view of the riders the problems were too serious,the meeting was cancelled and the bends in question were subsequently ripped up and relayed. The deal Gordon and Morton brokered with the council was financial suicide, albeit by 2 men who had Belle Vue and speedway in their hearts, but still ridiculously over their heads in debt. Sure Gordon and Morton may not be to blame for everything but i believe their botched business plan led to poor decision making which finds us where we are today.

Edited February 14, 2017 by New Science

[orion]

Its a bit convenient that Gordon retires 3 days before he was effectively struck off, He knew it was going to happen and tried to site retirement to make his departure look more honourable before his speedway colleagues effectively binned him from the sport.Reading the clerk of the courses report the problems with the track were noticed at lunchtime of that day, it can't have been the first time that week that it was noticeable that the track was soft on bends 3-4. Due to the admitted financial pressure already on the promotion cancelling was not a viable financial option and they decided to muddle it through, hoping the riders would play ball and spectators would understand and put up with a track that was at best ride able . Unfortunately in the view of the riders the problems were too serious,the meeting was cancelled and the bends in question were subsequently ripped up and relayed. The deal Gordon and Morton brokered with the council was financial suicide, albeit by 2 men who had Belle Vue and speedway in their hearts, but still ridiculously over their heads in debt. Sure Gordon and Morton may not be to blame for everything but i believe their botched business plan led to poor decision making which finds us where we are today.

Very well put .

Edited February 14, 2017 by orion

[Trees]

Very well put .

I wonder how things would've turned out if that opening meeting had been a massive success?

[ouch]

Its a bit convenient that Gordon retires 3 days before he was effectively struck off, He knew it was going to happen and tried to site retirement to make his departure look more honourable before his speedway colleagues effectively binned him from the sport.Reading the clerk of the courses report the problems with the track were noticed at lunchtime of that day, it can't have been the first time that week that it was noticeable that the track was soft on bends 3-4. Due to the admitted financial pressure already on the promotion cancelling was not a viable financial option and they decided to muddle it through, hoping the riders would play ball and spectators would understand and put up with a track that was at best ride able . Unfortunately in the view of the riders the problems were too serious,the meeting was cancelled and the bends in question were subsequently ripped up and relayed. The deal Gordon and Morton brokered with the council was financial suicide, albeit by 2 men who had Belle Vue and speedway in their hearts, but still ridiculously over their heads in debt. Sure Gordon and Morton may not be to blame for everything but i believe their botched business plan led to poor decision making which finds us where we are today.

FFS!

Dave Gordon was always going to retire at seasons end and be replaced by Gordon Pairman. Buster scuppered this.

 

Have you not been following all this on here and social media?

Ignorance is no longer an excuse for posting BS when all the information is out there.

 

It's fine if you don't like Belle Vue or its promotion but don't try and validate your opinion with outdated rubbish, lies and insults.

[New Science]

FFS!

Dave Gordon was always going to retire at seasons end and be replaced by Gordon Pairman. Buster scuppered this.

 

Have you not been following all this on here and social media?

Ignorance is no longer an excuse for posting BS when all the information is out there.

 

It's fine if you don't like Belle Vue or its promotion but don't try and validate your opinion with outdated rubbish, lies and insults.

Please tell me Where the outdated rubbish , lies and insults are ?

[orion]

FFS!

Dave Gordon was always going to retire at seasons end and be replaced by Gordon Pairman. Buster scuppered this.

 

Have you not been following all this on here and social media?

Ignorance is no longer an excuse for posting BS when all the information is out there.

 

It's fine if you don't like Belle Vue or its promotion but don't try and validate your opinion with outdated rubbish, lies and insults.

Talking of rubbish and lies here comes a Fred /Ouch post ...Irony at it's best

[ouch]

"He knew it was going to happen"

 

"Decided to muddle through"

 

"Botched business plan led to poor decision making"

[Humphrey Appleby]

IMO it is clear that DG/CM did know there was a problem, I have recognised that from early on. What they didnt know was the extent of the problem until ,as you say, the excavations had happened and the real issues uncovered - very serious issues.

It comes back to supervision of the track construction, which the leaked papers indicate was not done by the promotion. It doesn't really matter who was ultimately responsible, failures of others can bring down your business, and for something as critical to running speedway as a track, I'd have insisted on being involved.

[moxey63]

There was a time I used to follow stories like the Belle Vue one line by line. Maybe it's age, maybe it's because it happens so much (tracks tightrope walking), but I just can not take anything in. If a track folds, it folds; If it's saved, that's great.

 

I watched Belle Vue during the years of the annual closure threat - the Greyhound Association about to kick us out, crowds dropping because of various reasons - that you could lie awake with worry.You aren't in control of it. It isn't the roof over your head.

 

From about 1994 it was always the same at Kirky Lane, so I just become used to it. Course I worried at first... but a lot of it, as we found, was cry wolf.

 

If things get messed up even when a brand new stadium is handed to you on a plate, as Belle Vue were, then speedway will always be the Frank Spencer of sports.

 

Speedway Star have got the right idea, as they increase articles about times gone. It's the only thing that's certain... apart from the sport falling over itself to create the next calamity. It also keeps most speedway fans happy, as many remember the actual stories.

Edited February 15, 2017 by moxey63

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

It comes back to supervision of the track construction, which the leaked papers indicate was not done by the promotion. It doesn't really matter who was ultimately responsible, failures of others can bring down your business, and for something as critical to running speedway as a track, I'd have insisted on being involved.

dumping landfill isn't something the council or isg would of wanted anyone to see especially if there is something in it that is supposed to be specially desposed of , dumping waste can be an expensive job unless you know a mate of a mate 😉 Edited February 15, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Aces51]

It comes back to supervision of the track construction, which the leaked papers indicate was not done by the promotion. It doesn't really matter who was ultimately responsible, failures of others can bring down your business, and for something as critical to running speedway as a track, I'd have insisted on being involved.

 

And what would you have done when despite whatever arguments you put forward the council said no?

[Humphrey Appleby]

And what would you have done when despite whatever arguments you put forward the council said no?

Walked away. I wouldn't risk my financial future on the say-so of disinterested third parties.

[OveFundinFan]

 

And what would you have done when despite whatever arguments you put forward the council said no?

You beat me to it Aces51, exactly the same question I was going to ask, so come on HA, what would you have done in the situation you were told you could have no input?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Walked away. I wouldn't risk my financial future on the say-so of disinterested third parties.

but it wasn't belle vue money it was the councils , bv were buying or leasing the finished product , do you visit the production line and oversee production when you buy a car ? Edited February 15, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Grand Central]

but it wasn't belle vue money it was the councils , bv were buying or leasing the finished product , do you visit the production line and oversee production when you buy a car ?

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But ISG were not making a mass produced product that flows off the production line in the thousands.

More like buying a Rolls Royce to your very individual requirements where Customer involvement is encouraged at all stages.

 

This was a 'bespoke' product for a very specific purpose where the suitability of its performance was only ever going to be judged by the end user. The only people with any 'Speedway knowledge' at all.

 

Common sense would tell you that SOME involvement of those knowledgeable people earlier could be a LITTLE helpful.

Wouldn't you say.

Edited February 15, 2017 by Grand Central

[A ORLOV]

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But ISG were not making a mass produced product that flows off the production line in the thousands.

More like buying a Rolls Royce to your very individual requirements where Customer involvement is encouraged at all stages.

 

This was a 'bespoke' product for a very specific purpose where the suitability of its performance was only ever going to be judged by the end user. The only people with any 'Speedway knowledge' at all.

 

Common sense would tell you that SOME involvement of those knowledgeable people earlier could be a LITTLE helpful.

Wouldn't you say.

I just hope that the staff at Swindon either have an input or actually build the new track when it is built. It is a specialist job and ideally should be done or supervised by someone who knows what they are doing.

[Humphrey Appleby]

but it wasn't belle vue money it was the councils , bv were buying or leasing the finished product , do you visit the production line and oversee production when you buy a car ?

If my car is defective then I take it to dealer to be fixed, or sent it back. It'll probably not affect the running of my business, and even if were critical to it, I know I can hire another car quickly.

 

Building a speedway track is more akin to someone building a house for you. Yes, I can and did inspect every significant stage of the construction personally, starting with the foundations. One of my neighbours did not, and subsequently had problems with his cavity walls and roof.

 

Constructors cut corners all the time if they can get away with it, and I would absolutely insist on checking their work if I had any investment staked on the quality of their work. It would be part of the agreement, and if I was refused then the deal would be off.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

If my car is defective then I take it to dealer to be fixed, or sent it back. It'll probably not affect the running of my business, and even if were critical to it, I know I can hire another car quickly.

 

Building a speedway track is more akin to someone building a house for you. Yes, I can and did inspect every significant stage of the construction personally, starting with the foundations. One of my neighbours did not, and subsequently had problems with his cavity walls and roof.

 

Constructors cut corners all the time if they can get away with it, and I would absolutely insist on checking their work if I had any investment staked on the quality of their work. It would be part of the agreement, and if I was refused then the deal would be off.

bit it wasn't belle vue money it was the councils so really belle vue have no say unless the mcc say so