Daniel Smith Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 It's not the first time this has happened is it. Long eaton & wolves, ipswich & king's lynn, reading & swindon, exeter & newport and Scunthorpe & Sheffield. Have I missed any out? Think Cradley in 2017 will be floating between Wolverhampton and Birmingham again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 To get to March finding that Coventry and Belle Vue are open for racing at ALL will be a massive advance on what we feared just a few weeks ago. To get confirmation at they will both be able to present a full programme of Premiership fixtures with viable teams will be a like a dream come true for most fans. For us to already get the news that they will each be putting on an additional six fixtures of National League Speedway is a great bonus. How can anyone moan about this? Thank God someone else sees it. I thought I was going mad! It's great news yet some people seem to have found the smallest of negatives in the news and gone to town on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Thank God someone else sees it. I thought I was going mad! It's great news yet some people seem to have found the smallest of negatives in the news and gone to town on it! Excatly. It's not the first time a ground share as happened. All though maybe not with 2 clubs so far away from each other. What it's done is keep 2 teams that want to produce top young British riders and develop them in THE NL. The only way it's seems they could have done this is ground share. It's only 1 team riding at 2 home tracks. Absolutely no different to Cradley riding at wolves and Birmingham. Other question I'll ask is what the team will be called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) When you look at the web page that was put up to entice to people to work at the Belle Vue Arena, it is easy to see where great gobs of money have disappeared to:- http://ios-security.co.uk/about-us/work-with-us/belle-vue-aces-speedway-1/ What happened to a few old boys in white coats sorting the job out? This is the trouble when you get involved with councils, the Jobsworths feel obliged to implement every last bit of the Elf and Safety Manual as though their lives depended on it. Edited December 14, 2016 by Little Thumper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 I used to work for a charity and they bought along some E & S bloke, everybody nodded and gave the impression they were listening. Within a couple of weeks most of the people left because of the time it took to follow all the E & S procedures and fill out all the paperwork, which left very little time to do the job that people wanted to do and had been doing for years without incident. Now hardly any work gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) ...the Jobsworths feel obliged to implement every last bit of the Elf and Safety Manual as though their lives depended on it... The fact that a breach of Health & Safety is a CRIMINAL as well as a civil offense means that those in charge face fines, and possibly jail unless their procedures are water tight. 99 out of 100 people's worst consequence of coqing-up at work is getting the sack. Coq up over H&S and the consequences are far worse. No wonder they are cautious, because with no-win-no-fee lawyers ready to sue them into a black hole in space and the H&S Executive ready to land them in court in front of a judge and jury, wouldn't you be cautious too? Edited December 15, 2016 by uk martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 I used to work for a charity and they bought along some E & S bloke, everybody nodded and gave the impression they were listening. Within a couple of weeks most of the people left because of the time it took to follow all the E & S procedures and fill out all the paperwork, which left very little time to do the job that people wanted to do and had been doing for years without incident. Now hardly any work gets done. My favourite story was back when I worked for Corus. Showing some Swedish visitors around and they asked, "why the cages around all the machinery?" to which the H&S manager proudly proclaimed, "Health and safety, it stops our workers getting their hand caught in the machinery. We've won award for it". The Swedes looked back very bemused and said, "We don't have H&S in Sweden, we have common sense. Who would be stupid enough to put their hands in working machinery? And what happens when it breaks down? It must take ages to remove all them cages to get it fixed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 The fact that a breach of Health & Safety is a CRIMINAL as well as a civil offense means that those in charge face fines, and possibly jail unless their procedures are water tight. 99 out of 100 people's worst consequence of coqing-up at work is getting the sack. Coq up over H&S and the consequences are far worse. No wonder they are cautious, because with no-win-no-fee lawyers ready to sue them into a black hole in space and the H&S Executive ready to land them in court in front of a judge and jury, wouldn't you be cautious too? Health and safety has brought tremendous advances in reducing workplace accidents and deaths, particularly in industrial and construction environments. Employers and workers themselves could be terribly blasé about these matters, so it's no bad thing to be thinking about. It does go overboard in some office environments, but that's because it's usually the responsibility of junior employees who have limited perspective on what's actually important, and are scared about the consequences if they don't cover their arses. The reality is that employers are never going to get sued for half the things they believe they could be, and by going overboard on the silly stuff, it just undermines the message about the important things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Health and safety has brought tremendous advances in reducing workplace accidents and deaths, particularly in industrial and construction environments. Employers and workers themselves could be terribly blasé about these matters, so it's no bad thing to be thinking about. It does go overboard in some office environments, but that's because it's usually the responsibility of junior employees who have limited perspective on what's actually important, and are scared about the consequences if they don't cover their arses. The reality is that employers are never going to get sued for half the things they believe they could be, and by going overboard on the silly stuff, it just undermines the message about the important things. I used to be Safety Laboratory Rep at my University Department at Oxford as well as a Safety Rep when I relocated to York at one of the main museums. Having attended the relevant courses I can see the importance of H&S in the Workplace but some of it can appear trivial. For example some people are beyond help like the time someone I knew stapled his finger just to see if it would hurt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 I used to be Safety Laboratory Rep at my University Department at Oxford as well as a Safety Rep when I relocated to York at one of the main museums. Having attended the relevant courses I can see the importance of H&S in the Workplace but some of it can appear trivial. For example some people are beyond help like the time someone I knew stapled his finger just to see if it would hurt! One of the things I found surprising in Australia was the absurd health and safety. We were instructed (by an external H&S advisor) to tell our staff not to cross roads on red pedestrian lights as the organisation was legally responsible for their safety during working hours (which included travelling to/from work and lunch hour) I asked whether any employer had ever been successfully sued because an employee was run over as a result of them crossing a public road on their way to lunch, and of course no-one could point to an example. I refused to rely the instruction on the grounds that the message simply wouldn't be taken seriously by the staff, and that it would undermine important healthy and safety initiatives. It just needs people to be more questioning of the more idiotic aspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 My favourite story was back when I worked for Corus. Showing some Swedish visitors around and they asked, "why the cages around all the machinery?" to which the H&S manager proudly proclaimed, "Health and safety, it stops our workers getting their hand caught in the machinery. We've won award for it". The Swedes looked back very bemused and said, "We don't have H&S in Sweden, we have common sense. Who would be stupid enough to put their hands in working machinery? And what happens when it breaks down? It must take ages to remove all them cages to get it fixed". Guess they went back home and created Axelent. Sponsor for Lejonen and Nicki and somewhat an industry leader in such cages in Northern Europe. At least used to be... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Guess they went back home and created Axelent. Sponsor for Lejonen and Nicki and somewhat an industry leader in such cages in Northern Europe. At least used to be... That is the problem with talking to a couple of people from a country and taking it as gospel what they say.Can just imagine talking to one or two on here and taking that as gospel about england/speedway etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 When you look at the web page that was put up to entice to people to work at the Belle Vue Arena, it is easy to see where great gobs of money have disappeared to:- http://ios-security.co.uk/about-us/work-with-us/belle-vue-aces-speedway-1/ What happened to a few old boys in white coats sorting the job out? This is the trouble when you get involved with councils, the Jobsworths feel obliged to implement every last bit of the Elf and Safety Manual as though their lives depended on it. And thats just Manuel 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 And thats just Manuel 1. Que? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Our local council's Health & Safety is that strict, they wear gloves when opening the choccy biscuits in case of paper cuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 I used to be Safety Laboratory Rep at my University Department at Oxford as well as a Safety Rep when I relocated to York at one of the main museums. Having attended the relevant courses I can see the importance of H&S in the Workplace but some of it can appear trivial. For example some people are beyond help like the time someone I knew stapled his finger just to see if it would hurt! Yeh ive heard that one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 My favourite story was back when I worked for Corus. Showing some Swedish visitors around and they asked, "why the cages around all the machinery?" to which the H&S manager proudly proclaimed, "Health and safety, it stops our workers getting their hand caught in the machinery. We've won award for it". The Swedes looked back very bemused and said, "We don't have H&S in Sweden, we have common sense. Who would be stupid enough to put their hands in working machinery? And what happens when it breaks down? It must take ages to remove all them cages to get it fixed". No-one intentionally. The guards are there for when they do so unintentionally. Slip and fall here and you hit the guard. Slip and fall in Sweden and you lose an arm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldywonkenoldi Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 How about the manufacturers instruction sheet for Swarfega, "protective gloves to be worn when using this product" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 How about the manufacturers instruction sheet for Swarfega, "protective gloves to be worn when using this product" Don't diss Swarfega......at least right on their front page they give speedway a mention http://www.swarfega.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Don't diss Swarfega......at least right on their front page they give speedway a mention http://www.swarfega.com/ Wrong kind of speedway though! http://www.rockingham.co.uk/venue-hire/venue-activity/corporate-driving-experiences/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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