Belle Vue National Stadium

[June01]

The BSPA have seen fit to take away the license for Belle Vue Aces, but are adamant they will come up to tapes next season. This suggests to me that, firstly, talks are going on between all 3 parties, and that all 3 want to find a mutually agreeable solution, which is amazing in itself, but secondly a new consortium will be taking over... but that's not necessarily new faces. Dave Gordon stepping down means that the others could reasonably come together and form a "new" company with a new name, that enters into a whole new agreement with the council.

[Midland Red]

NOT talking about a wedding ceremony but reception. The Peter Craven suite is ideal. There is already a hockey facility as part of the village and how could they pay for the NSS?

 

I never said it could survive on turnstile revenue alone. It was always in the business plan to make use of the stadium for as many days of the year as possible. That still has to be the aim and with an innovative stadium manager I'm sure much could be achieved.

 

The interminable delays undoubtably cost them potential sponsors but it appears others might be in the pipeline now that the previous management have gone.

NOT talking about a wedding ceremony but reception. The Peter Craven suite is ideal. There is already a hockey facility as part of the village and how could they pay for the NSS?

 

I never said it could survive on turnstile revenue alone. It was always in the business plan to make use of the stadium for as many days of the year as possible. That still has to be the aim and with an innovative stadium manager I'm sure much could be achieved.

 

The interminable delays undoubtably cost them potential sponsors but it appears others might be in the pipeline now that the previous management have gone.

WHY are you posting everything twice now, Philippe?

 

It doesn't strengthen your argument one iota

Edited November 6, 2016 by Midland Red

[Tsunami]

Are you okay?

 

The other day you said something about being able to build a stadium with other people's money and now Brandon is better than Belle Vue because you don't have to queue up for a piss at Brandon!!

Maybe he is just pissed off.

[Grand Central]

NOT talking about a wedding ceremony but reception. The Peter Craven suite is ideal. There is already a hockey facility as part of the village and how could they pay for the NSS?

 

I never said it could survive on turnstile revenue alone. It was always in the business plan to make use of the stadium for as many days of the year as possible. That still has to be the aim and with an innovative stadium manager I'm sure much could be achieved.

 

You are utterly deluded.

It is not 'ideal' fir a wedding reception at all.

What planet do you live on as regards modern weddings?

 

The PC suite is a passable venue for some rather mediocre events.

That is all.

 

Up against the fantastic venues available within 5 or 10 miles it really does compare very poorly for a wedding.

 

For Christ's sake, we haven't got the speedway side right yet.

As a total package.

So its daft to make really silly claims about things way beyond your expertise.

[Humphrey Appleby]

You haven't been there, Humph ! No-one who has would describe NSS as 'good'.

I haven't seen a meeting there, but did manage to take a look at the place when I happened to be in Manchester a few months back. As SCB said, I don't think it's as good as Coventry (was) but it was better than I anticipated and about as good as the sport is going to get at its current level.

[pugwash]

Yes we may not have seen the capability of the stadium but as we have just found out. The promotion wasn't very good at it

 

 

Let's see what new promotors can do. And if they can't utilise the stadium fully then yes. Let's get worried.

 

For now I'm looking forward to seein big changes in the way the stadium is operated under a new management team

Enter stage left- STOCK CARS.

[Bagpuss]

With the right equipment a speedway track can be as smooth as a babies bum after stocks as we have seen at Lynn for over twenty years. Whether the shale you guys use would be compatible is another matter as the racing at Lynn is a shadow of what it used to be and I put that down in part to the clay based dirt used at the AFA.

[sommelier]

With the right equipment a speedway track can be as smooth as a babies bum after stocks as we have seen at Lynn for over twenty years. Whether the shale you guys use would be compatible is another matter as the racing at Lynn is a shadow of what it used to be and I put that down in part to the clay based dirt used at the AFA.

Totally agree with your comments regarding track prep after stocks, just look at Scunthorpe, arguably the best track in the country!

[Guest]

With the right equipment a speedway track can be as smooth as a babies bum after stocks as we have seen at Lynn for over twenty years. Whether the shale you guys use would be compatible is another matter as the racing at Lynn is a shadow of what it used to be and I put that down in part to the clay based dirt used at the AFA.

 

It is all very well to harbour mention of stock cars moving to the NSS from thier base next door. But there are no signs from the stock car promoters Startrax Motorsport that they are likely to contemplate a move from Kirky Lane in the near future. And I agree with your comments Gordon Bennett in regard to track conditions after a stock car meeting in so far as King's Lynn is concerned. There are no problems if track preparation is done properly after a stock car meeting.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Guest

[Little Thumper]

Enter stage left- STOCK CARS.

 

Major re-engineering work would surely be needed to bring the stadium up to the necessary safety standards for 4-wheeled action.

 

The original strategy agreed between the City Council and BVA/BVS didn't include stock car use and I am not sure that they would be too receptive to the idea of their multi-million pound investment being used for such a purpose.

 

But hey, perhaps now is the time to start thinking outside the box and perhaps pugwash's suggestion might provide some kind of a lifeline.

 

The National Stock Car Stadium sounds pretty good to me and I am sure someone could convince Manchester City Council that it would be a Centre of Excellence.

 

And what's more, perhaps the new (joint) tenants might like to set up some kind of training facility?

Perhaps they might call it the National Stock Car Drivers' Academy and get it sponsored by Halfrauds?

 

I wonder if our chums, the stock car tifosi, would fancy buying a few engraved breeze blocks to get the wheels turning?

 

I love these brain-storming sessions and I'm sure that with all our combined brain-power on the case, we will come up with a great solution before you can say, "Lady Bangers' World Championship!"

 

Make it so.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Why don't Manchester City council become the promotors ? Employ a speedway manager person to addresss the speedway side of things , then whatever comes through the turnstiles goes into MCCs account , they pay the riders and whoever but at least they will get their rent and if there is any profit to be made they will be the ones to make it and councils have no problem getting company's to sponsor projects , (you know the old you scratch my back ) you never know if they did make it pay other councils would want in on the act and once other councils started to make it pay the government would want in on it , then there would be no more noise issues and speedway would be back at the top of the sporting world or I am getting a little ahead on myself

Edited November 6, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Little Thumper]

Why don't Manchester City council become the promotors ? Employ a speedway manager person to addresss the speedway side of things , then whatever comes through the turnstiles goes into MCCs account , they pay the riders and whoever but at least they will get their rent and if there is any profit to be made they will be the ones to make it , you never know if they did make it pay other councils would want in on the act and once other councils started to make it pay the government would want in on it , then there would be no more noise issues and speedway would be back at the top of the sporting world or I am getting a little ahead on myself

 

THE DEAN MACHINE, I am sure that your proposal is not without merit but there is probably more chance of me becoming the Pope than this getting off the ground.

 

I somehow feel that the council tax payers of Manchester would rather their elected representatives and their officers devote their time and efforts to keeping the libraries open, looking after the sick and aged and providing some kind of education for the sprogs.

 

It could be suggested that if experts like BVA/BVS supported by the BSPA cannot make the venture pay, what chance would a load of paper-shufflers and paper clip counters stand?

 

Sooner or later, someone is going to find the golden nugget that saves the Crown Jewel of British speedway.

[MattK]

Why don't Manchester City council become the promotors ? Employ a speedway manager person to addresss the speedway side of things , then whatever comes through the turnstiles goes into MCCs account , they pay the riders and whoever but at least they will get their rent and if there is any profit to be made they will be the ones to make it and councils have no problem getting company's to sponsor projects , (you know the old you scratch my back ) you never know if they did make it pay other councils would want in on the act and once other councils started to make it pay the government would want in on it , then there would be no more noise issues and speedway would be back at the top of the sporting world or I am getting a little ahead on myself

 

Because councils are utterly incompetent? I don't know about where you live, but mine struggle to empty the bins twice a week.

[pugwash]

If The BSPA are going to step in as tenants maybe the stadium and track could be let out to two or more promotions. eg BV and Slough

[Guest]

 

Major re-engineering work would surely be needed to bring the stadium up to the necessary safety standards for 4-wheeled action.

 

The original strategy agreed between the City Council and BVA/BVS didn't include stock car use and I am not sure that they would be too receptive to the idea of their multi-million pound investment being used for such a purpose.

 

But hey, perhaps now is the time to start thinking outside the box and perhaps pugwash's suggestion might provide some kind of a lifeline.

 

The National Stock Car Stadium sounds pretty good to me and I am sure someone could convince Manchester City Council that it would be a Centre of Excellence.

 

And what's more, perhaps the new (joint) tenants might like to set up some kind of training facility?

Perhaps they might call it the National Stock Car Drivers' Academy and get it sponsored by Halfrauds?

 

I wonder if our chums, the stock car tifosi, would fancy buying a few engraved breeze blocks to get the wheels turning?

 

I love these brain-storming sessions and I'm sure that with all our combined brain-power on the case, we will come up with a great solution before you can say, "Lady Bangers' World Championship!"

 

Make it so.

 

From the contacts I have with the stock car fraternity it appears they have no interest in moving their operations from Mirky Lane to the NSS. At the end of the day, the stock car promoters have to also have agreement with the groups operating various formats of stock car racing - NHRPA, Brisca F1, Brisca F2 among the main racing organisations. Stock car promoters stage their meetings after making arrangements with various groups to race at their meetings. The promoters have no drivers directly contracted to them.

You provided a nice item of speculation Little Thumper and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, but at this point of time I cannot see stock cars appearing at the NSS. However, a point in your favour is "...that I have been known to be wrong..."

Why don't Manchester City council become the promotors ? Employ a speedway manager person to addresss the speedway side of things , then whatever comes through the turnstiles goes into MCCs account , they pay the riders and whoever but at least they will get their rent and if there is any profit to be made they will be the ones to make it , you never know if they did make it pay other councils would want in on the act and once other councils started to make it pay the government would want in on it , then there would be no more noise issues and speedway would be back at the top of the sporting world or I am getting a little ahead on myself

 

​A reasonable idea THE DEAN MACHINE but ¨unlikely to take place. Manchester City Council would need a majority support of councillors who in their turn have to work in the interests of those who pay the rates. And from that viewpoint alone I think the financial risks of speedway promotion would be considered well out the council's remit. Basically, too, the councillors are not interested in speedway promotion but on the financial advantages of owning a stadium/arena and seeing a financial return from whatever source on that.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Guest

[pugwash]

what about caravans then?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

Because councils are utterly incompetent? .

i won't say the obvious response

[Little Thumper]

what about caravans then?

 

What like some kind of a site for the travelling community?

 

Now we are thinking outside the box!

 

They would have to keep their dogs well under control on speedway nights and stop them trying to bite the riders' legs.

 

But hey, as Tesco say, "Every Little Helps".

[Guest]

 

What like some kind of a site for the travelling community?

 

Now we are thinking outside the box!

 

They would have to keep their dogs well under control on speedway nights and stop them trying to bite the riders' legs.

 

But hey, as Tesco say, "Every Little Helps".

 

I agree Little Thumper. Caravan parking on the NSS centre green is very much a non-starter. I am surprised tat such an idea is even been put forward on this thread. In any case isn't the centre green designated for sports use - hockey, football, rugby etc.

[Fromafar]

It's typical of Councils nowadays ,they have a brand new facility and haven't a clue what to do with it.They just hope the money floods in.Probably be sold for housing in the future .