Belle Vue National Stadium

[Tsunami]

Am I not allowed to be cynical? Is there somewhere you can point me to see what the actual track will be like? All I've seen so far are architect drawings, and the track looks just the way a non-speedway person would draw a track round a field. Has anyone published the real spec?

 

 

Brilliant, thank you - I shall took a closer look later.

 

Seeing that has certainly helped, considering the ridiculous responses from certain quarters - indeed, it has put the icing on the cake

 

it was you that attracted the responses with your offhanded quote above.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Tsunami

[John Leslie]

 

it was you that attracted the responses with your offhanded quote above.

Yes.....And of course the equally stupid comment....

 

 

Forgive me for Laughing Out Loud.

 

So cynical about this that ... (1) it's either never going to happen, or (2) the track will be a flat and/or narrow waste of time.

[John Leslie]

I asked a simple question,

No you didn't. It wasn't a question. It was an idiotic attempted trolling statement , that the stadium wasn't going to be built and b.) that the track was going to be narrow and flat.

 

Idiotic because the previous 39 pages of this thread document the story up to (and beyond) the point where Manchester council confirmed that the stadium IS being built.

 

It's also well documented that the track is being built as wide as possible and to the maximum banking allowed by FIM regulations. Everyone just pointed out the stupidity of trolling with a pathetic statement which was totally the opposite to the actual facts.

[ch958]

i love when people troll and then say its all irony and we didnt get the joke

[Wendy]

 

It's only a troll if you say it is.

 

I didn't "then say it was irony" because I said at the start, "forgive me for being cynical".

 

Yes there was a degree of irony (harmless), but there was a self-confessed high level of (speedway authority induced) cynicism.

 

If people interpret stuff the way they want then they can go ahead - and taking the mickey instead of answering with meaningful information is their own choice. For example: John Leslie could easily have said: "I think you're bang out of order with those comments, and here's the information about the track to prove it ...". Instead he chose to ridicule.

 

There's irony somewhere in that, LOL

 

No harm done from my perspective - my life hasn't changed as a result of this little joust

OK then - you want someone to say it, so I will: I think your bang out of order with your comments. You were being worse than cynical - you were actively trolling.

The stadium is being built by the Manchester authorities - a mixture between Manchester City Council and the East Manchester Regeneration group. It will be approximately 350m in size with 10m straights and 12-15m bends.

It has come about because those involved have ignore trolls and cynics and is a credit to everyone involved - council, speedway promoters, speedway authorities and fans.

Even SCB has conceded that, despite his initial (huge) scepticism, it looks like happening. So that leaves you. What purpose, other than to completely undermine the hard work and commitment shown by those involved, do you think your cynicism serves? Are you simply a sad person who takes pleasure in undermining others?

My goodness, the sport is on its knees in this country and those involved need encouragement not condemnation.

Is it too difficult to say this looks amazing and I really hope that it's as good as it looks? Because that's how I feel about it.

[Wendy]

Sorry - duplicated!

Edited December 6, 2014 by Wendy

[Mike.Butler]

I suggest we all get behind those trying to deliver this as it can only be good for the sport. Those wishing to try and de-rail it through negativity, or are simply critical of progress as a result of understandable frustration, should perhaps hold fire and look forward to basking in the glow of 'I told you so' if it fails. I know from having waited for exactly a year since brentford fc gained full planning permission for our new stadium that time just passes without anything apparently happening... It's just the way it is in this country..

[Wendy]

Thank You. I genuinely hadn't seen any of this stuff and was very tempted to be cynical because British Speedway is notoriously poor at delivering.

 

I genuinely appreciate your response, and am happily put in my place. I'll eat a piece of humble pie - the cake offered by the house bully wasn't so appealing

A little late, I know, but I'm making my Christmas cake tomorrow - I'll save you s piece. Better than humble pie 😄

[ch958]

i'll tell you what Wendy if you get a spare hour you'll find plenty of people in the first 12 pages who were convinced it wouldnt happen

you should cut and paste a selection and laugh at them

 

if you got nowt else to do!!

[Tsunami]

i'll tell you what Wendy if you get a spare hour you'll find plenty of people in the first 12 pages who were convinced it wouldnt happen

you should cut and paste a selection and laugh at them

 

if you got nowt else to do!!

But it's true what Wendy says. Had Enough is a name that suits him. He is cynical and sarcastic on just about everything that is done in speedway. He's just a troll having a laugh at the sport of speedway. Very sad.

[pandorum]

i'll tell you what Wendy if you get a spare hour you'll find plenty of people in the first 12 pages who were convinced it wouldnt happen

you should cut and paste a selection and laugh at them

 

if you got nowt else to do!!

I would imagine most people thought that at one time.

It was a discussion and some were cynical because it's speedway.

Why should those who doubted eat any form of humble pie for not agreeing with another camp?

I am glad it has been realised after so long.

It was a farce but it's ended well so good luck to BV. They will need it.

But it's true what Wendy says. Had Enough is a name that suits him. He is cynical and sarcastic on just about everything that is done in speedway. He's just a troll having a laugh at the sport of speedway. Very sad.

I don't know you from Adam but you strike me as one of the nastiest types on this place so does that make YOU a troll?

I don't know Had Enough either but he is entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to argue with it.

 

I have been a fan of this sport since I was 14 and it's a silly but exciting sport and cynicism and sarcasm have been around regarding this sport for as long as I can remember.

 

I trust nothing this sport says so does that make ME a troll.

 

If we all agreed with you it would be a very dull forum.

 

Had Enough probably does not have the entourage you do so will not have many defenders but they have as much right to an opinion on this sport as you do. Just because you had some job in the sport does not mean you are superior to anyone else here.

You are a fan like me and like Had Enough.

I no longer go because of various reasons no concern of people such as yourself and HE has had enough as many here have. But I suspect he has had enough of the baggage the sport carries rather than the sport itself and his thoughts on the sport are as valid as yours.

 

Too many people on high horse here. Even Morrissey Fan comes out with some good posts on this forum.

That's why its interesting

[ch958]

dear pandorum,

 

the rubbish that was talked in the early days of this project was beyond cynical - it was smartarses who wanted it to fail so thy could gloat.

 

Tsunami isn't at all nasty IMO he's a geordie so therefore a bit exciteable at times - i've had spats in the past but you have to respect his knowledge. Sometimes he tells us things we probably don't want to hear

[bellevueace]

No doubt when the stadium is up and running those that were forever saying it would never be built will be back on full of negative comments about the track, stadium, terracing etc. One thing it will definately be is far better than Kirky Lane.

[Tsunami]

I would imagine most people thought that at one time.

It was a discussion and some were cynical because it's speedway.

Why should those who doubted eat any form of humble pie for not agreeing with another camp?

I am glad it has been realised after so long.

It was a farce but it's ended well so good luck to BV. They will need it.

I don't know you from Adam but you strike me as one of the nastiest types on this place so does that make YOU a troll?

I don't know Had Enough either but he is entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to argue with it.

 

I have been a fan of this sport since I was 14 and it's a silly but exciting sport and cynicism and sarcasm have been around regarding this sport for as long as I can remember.

 

I trust nothing this sport says so does that make ME a troll.

 

If we all agreed with you it would be a very dull forum.

 

Had Enough probably does not have the entourage you do so will not have many defenders but they have as much right to an opinion on this sport as you do. Just because you had some job in the sport does not mean you are superior to anyone else here.

You are a fan like me and like Had Enough.

I no longer go because of various reasons no concern of people such as yourself and HE has had enough as many here have. But I suspect he has had enough of the baggage the sport carries rather than the sport itself and his thoughts on the sport are as valid as yours.

 

Too many people on high horse here. Even Morrissey Fan comes out with some good posts on this forum.

That's why its interesting

 

That comment coming from you made me laugh. Whether it be speedway or politics, one can always rely on you wading in insulting folks left right and centre. Been commented on by many posters who are not in '"my entourage", as you put it. Do you always go around looking down at your shoes. The world is an exciting place and interesting, not the depressing and grey area you seem to live in.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Tsunami

[orion]

dear pandorum,

 

the rubbish that was talked in the early days of this project was beyond cynical - it was smartarses who wanted it to fail so thy could gloat.

 

 

Gloating ..the irony .

[ch958]

Gloating ..the irony .

 

you are not making yourself clear

 

unless you think i am gloating because it is in fact being built

 

whereas in fact i am very happy about it and always was

 

unless i'm misunderstanding you

Edited December 7, 2014 by ch958

[waiheke1]

dear pandorum,

 

the rubbish that was talked in the early days of this project was beyond cynical - it was smartarses who wanted it to fail so thy could gloat.

 

 

Bollocks. Plenty were cynical BUT I dont believe a single person wanted this to fail.

in fact most of the cynics were at pains to point this out, as the accusation of them "wanting it to fail" was consistently and erroneously aimed at them.

[orion]

 

you are not making yourself clear

 

unless you think i am gloating because it is in fact being built

 

whereas in fact i am very happy about it and always was

 

unless i'm misunderstanding you

 

 

you are not making yourself clear

 

unless you think i am gloating because it is in fact being built

 

whereas in fact i am very happy about it and always was

 

unless i'm misunderstanding you

Of course your gloating ....otherwise there would be no need to go on about people being wrong all the time . As I said irony at it's best .

[ch958]

 

Of course your gloating ....otherwise there would be no need to go on about people being wrong all the time . As I said irony at it's best .

 

 

 

ok maybe they didn't actually WANT it to fail but they certainly would have enjoyed saying "told you so" if it had - it was the grinding pessimism which riled me

 

anyway the main point thing is it is there!! and i'm sure we're both happy about that

Edited December 8, 2014 by ch958

[orion]

 

 

 

ok maybe they didn't actually WANT it to fail but they certainly would have enjoyed gloating if it had

 

 

Just like you have I guess .