iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I Similarly for the training school. There will be plenty of time for Belle Vue riders (Aces and Colts, two teams, same club) to practice, if other clubs wanted the facility then show us your money, lol! Either it is a national stadium or it isn't!!! Anyway at least one other club put money into the brick fund if i remember..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Let's been honest after all the hype not only this stadium going to be 5 years late it's just going to be a run of the mill type of place . Not the envy of the world ,as were told . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Let's been honest after all the hype not only this stadium going to be 5 years late it's just going to be a run of the mill type of place . Not the envy of the world ,as were told . Sad but true,most probably.At least they are going to have track covers made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Let's been honest after all the hype not only this stadium going to be 5 years late it's just going to be a run of the mill type of place . Not the envy of the world ,as were told . Yes but how many tracks will have bricks and paving stones with peoples names on? Hopefully, if it is ever built, it is a bit better than that but all the pie in the sky tripe talked about this place may well end up with egg on it's face when it turns out to be just a tin shed with a posh car park How it can still be called a National Stadium is beyond me. It's just a new track for Belle Vue whilst that is indeed welcome it's not at all what was promised and until someone starts digging foundations there it is still just a bit of paper and having a bit of experience of this kind of thing I have seen better bits of paper come to nought than this shed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Sad but true,most probably.At least they are going to have track covers made DON'T think anyone said it would be the envy of the world... but I would venture that the grandstand will be superior to that at any other British stadium staging speedway (other than Cardiff of course), as others have said temporary grandstands can be erected as and when required, the track will have proper drainage from the off and its shape and size should provide for terrific racing. Can understand why some are still sceptical but not those who continually talk it down., Very few (any?) bright spots on the horizon for British speedway right now and those who have stuck diligently to the immense task in getting this through so many hoops and detours deserve some praise surely? If the facility is available for use throughout the week then the BSPA as a whole should avail themselves of it and underline its name tag. My understanding is that spades will go in the ground very shortly after planning permission is confirmed. The money is there, the builders are itching to get started... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Guess British speedway gets what it deserves.Doesn't sound to me as if this stadium is any better than Vojens and Vojens was built 40 years ago and isn't really up to hosting international speedway these days we are told.Is it as good or better than Gorican,which was one mans project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Guess British speedway gets what it deserves.Doesn't sound to me as if this stadium is any better than Vojens and Vojens was built 40 years ago and isn't really up to hosting international speedway these days we are told.Is it as good or better than Gorican,which was one mans project? HAVE you been to Vojens? There is a permanent grandstand on home straight (everything else is temporary) but it has no bar, restaurant or corporate facilities which is something BV will have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 This is clearly not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 This is clearly not going to happen. Just like you not posting until October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 HAVE you been to Vojens? There is a permanent grandstand on home straight (everything else is temporary) but it has no bar, restaurant or corporate facilities which is something BV will have. Not true.Just ignoring things that don't suit your arguement.The refreshment facilities and the toilet facilities are permanent as is the very useful 80cc track next door.All in all the package is different but as a national stadium.not much better imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 THERE are no toilets or refreshment facilities in the actual stand. No restaurant or bar either, which in Belle Vue's case will be open during the week. Not belittling Vojens, where I am heading again later this week, but there is no real comparison between the grandsrtand there and the one which will be built in Manchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) I wasn't comparing one grandstand with another.If you look i was comparing the stadium as a whole with another.You were the one who said everything in the stadium was temporary apart from the grandstand and i just pointed out you were not telling the truth....... And to answer your question if i have been to Vojens.Yes i have as have many thousands of others.As it stands at the moment neither you or anyone else has been to the national Stadium and seen a race,let alone any grandstand or bar Edited September 7, 2014 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 REF, that was harsh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 What exactly has a track near a rural village in a small foreign country got to do with a stadium being built within a mile of one of the biggest cities in Europe as part of the biggest building project Manchester has seen since the early 90's? That's a bit like comparing the organisation of the school sports day to organising the Olympic Games. I think I read somewhere that the tea huts at Vojens are actually permanent so well done for pointing that out. iris 1 Rising 0 lol! Well it is a bit unfair to compare Vojens with Manchester i agree which is why i asked Phil if Gorican was better or worse.It seemed better to compare a country that has only produced 1 decent rider in the last decade rather than a country like Denmark.The trouble was Phil ducked out of that one.So maybe 2-0 to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I can sense your disappointment but err..... so what? Besides, better late than never eh? Just ask a fan from Bradford or Oxford or Reading or Cradley or....... I think you get the point. What exactly has a track near a rural village in a small foreign country got to do with a stadium being built within a mile of one of the biggest cities in Europe as part of the biggest building project Manchester has seen since the early 90's? That's a bit like comparing the organisation of the school sports day to organising the Olympic Games. I think I read somewhere that the tea huts at Vojens are actually permanent so well done for pointing that out. iris 1 Rising 0 lol! Sunderland. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Well it is a bit unfair to compare Vojens with Manchester i agree which is why i asked Phil if Gorican was better or worse.It seemed better to compare a country that has only produced 1 decent rider in the last decade rather than a country like Denmark.The trouble was Phil ducked out of that one.So maybe 2-0 to me SORRY, missed the bit about Gorican which overall is better because it has seating all the way round but let's not forget that it was built by the Pavlic family as a labour of love, no planning issues and at relatively little cost. My main point is that the actual grandstand facility at the new BV will have far more facilities than either Gorican or Vojens and will provide a first class viewing experience along with the opportunity to dine and watch. It will also be available throughout the week and not simply for the speedway. I'm going for a draw... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I'm going for a draw... I'll accept that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 So it's the National speedway stadium. It will host EL and NL racing, training sessions and World Championship meetings. But it only has permission (well, at present it has no permission!) for running Wednesday, Friday and Saturdays evenings and only for 43 events a year. So lets assume EL speedway takes up 22 meeting (18 league, 2 play-off, P&P and a pre-meeting challenge) while the NL takes up 8 meetings. Thats 30 meetings. Add in a World Championship meeting thats 31. So it can be used for 12 days for training. Newport used to have less restriction FFS - you'd often if if you were over the right side of Newport hear riders practising during the day! Newport also had a permanent bar too. And a snack bar! We were told it would have unrestricted use and be using for training. With only 12 spare dates, I can't see that happening. Those of us who said that what we were promised would not happen have been proved right. Planning permission has not gone in for that but something smaller and with much greater constraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 At the rate the crowds are falling across the country, I hope there are enough fans still attending speedway to make the stadium viable WHEN it gets built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 In a way what is really sad is that at Plough Lane there was/is a facility that was much better than this proposed stadium and it was run down to the ground and maybe speedway should have got together and taken the stadium as was proposed in the Star back in the day......... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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