Popular Post fatface Posted November 21, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) As a former Aces fan, not to say a major Chris Morton fan, I've followed this with interest. Kudos to Philip Rising, the Star isn't perfect, but despite the obsessive trolling he gets on here, what the Star staff pull together on a weekly basis for a minority sport is a minor miracle. Similarly, the situation at Belle Vue. A brand new speedway stadium with the sport at its centre piece in a major city location with a fantastic track in today's financial climate is a minor miracle. It's pretty clear that Mort and Dave Gordon are not the men to make a success of multi-sport facility. But it doesn't detract from them having a vision and making it happen. Whatever people think of them, at least they had the balls to give it a go. Others spend too much time scratching theirs. Would Belle Vue be in a better position trundling along at Kirky Lane now? They'd be a lot closer to their slow, painful death. As it is, the sport has a brand new facility, a fresh start for next season, a council with an appetite to make a success of it and most of all a real opportunity - IF the right people are involved. Edited November 21, 2016 by falcace 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Top post falcace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just seen on Instagram that Zagar's mechanic is owed almost a 5 figure sum by Belle Vue jetwash_jonny: "This feels like me with belle Vue, mechanic owed nearly five figure sum, hope you get sorted !" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just seen on Instagram that Zagar's mechanic is owed almost a 5 figure sum by Belle Vue jetwash_jonny: "This feels like me with belle Vue, mechanic owed nearly five figure sum, hope you get sorted !" Why would Belle Vue pay his mechanic - surely that should come from the rider not the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Why would Belle Vue pay his mechanic - surely that should come from the rider not the club. Some clubs do agree to pay a mechanic, just as they pay for a hired van and transportation costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Why would Belle Vue pay his mechanic - surely that should come from the rider not the club. The way Zagar performed this year, I'd say whoever mechanic'd for him probably owes Belle Vue money! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Some clubs do agree to pay a mechanic, just as they pay for a hired van and transportation costs.They wonder how the sport is going down the tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 They wonder how the sport is going down the tubes. Well riders get spoiled abroad and expect the same here, whatever the eventual consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 He also owns a blinds business and installed the blinds at the NSS so it's probably to do with that. But again it doesn't surprise me if zagar dIddnt even have to pay for his mechanic and all he had to do is show Up and ride his bike for allegedly 3k per meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just seen on Instagram that Zagar's mechanic is owed almost a 5 figure sum by Belle Vue jetwash_jonny: "This feels like me with belle Vue, mechanic owed nearly five figure sum, hope you get sorted !" The are several clubs owed a lot more than that for payments from Belle Vue owed for visits there. But then again there are three other clubs that haven't been paying away points which sets up cash flow problems for the others. The sport is awash with debt. I feel terribly sorry for Chris Morton. He is a good genuine bloke and doesn't deserve what's happened to him. Reading between the lines of his comments in SS it seems he has not been happy with Dave Gordon for some time, and Gordon's management of the clubs finances seems to be under a cloud. Some of the debts and problems were outside his control but some of the silly money he offered to one rider to sign as No1 for 2017 borders on reckless with the other debts that were piling up. As someone else has said, he can take credit for getting the NSS project off the ground but seems to have displayed some terrible finanancial judgment. I suppose with hindsight we may be able to say that the incident a couple of years ago with the imaginary burst water pipe may have been an indicator of what was to come later. There is probably a lot that will never come out though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegal Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I could name 2 promoters who had a certain rider mentioned who when asked to name the one rider they would never ever consider having in their team were unanimous in their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Maybe significant or not, but during all the interviews they have given on local TV from the start of the project to the completion, Mort and and Gordon have never looked really happy, as if something was constantly troubling them...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 As a former Aces fan, not to say a major Chris Morton fan, I've followed this with interest. Kudos to Philip Rising, the Star isn't perfect, but despite the obsessive trolling he gets on here, what the Star staff pull together on a weekly basis for a minority sport is a minor miracle. Similarly, the situation at Belle Vue. A brand new speedway stadium with the sport at its centre piece in a major city location with a fantastic track in today's financial climate is a minor miracle. It's pretty clear that Mort and Dave Gordon are not the men to make a success of multi-sport facility. But it doesn't detract from them having a vision and making it happen. Whatever people think of them, at least they had the balls to give it a go. Others spend too much time scratching theirs. Would Belle Vue be in a better position trundling along at Kirky Lane now? They'd be a lot closer to their slow, painful death. As it is, the sport has a brand new facility, a fresh start for next season, a council with an appetite to make a success of it and most of all a real opportunity - IF the right people are involved. You forget to add that they oversaw the first year in operation of this project absorbing all admission money, sponsorship money and supporters buy a brick money but chose to not pay a penny in contractual rent and leave many of there own riders owed money. Why credit may be due for " a vision " the economics which some pointed out at the time were absolute folly and came home to roost big time , so maybe all the backslapping is a little misplaced 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I wouldn't have been happy taking over a stadium that wasn't built correctly (the third and fourth bends) and wasn't finished on time. The terracing on the south stand was only temporary and has since been removed.Surely its up to MCC to now make sure the build is finished to spec so that the new promoters don't encounter the same problems as DG and Mort did.p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Good news I'd have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Good news I'd have thought. What is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Regarding the opening meeting abandonment and subsequent financial consequences, it occurs to me that the meeting could just have easily been rained off. What would the difference have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Regarding the opening meeting abandonment and subsequent financial consequences, it occurs to me that the meeting could just have easily been rained off. What would the difference have been? Well it could have been quickly rearranged or they could have moved on to meeting number two, both less damaging compared to what did happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Regarding the opening meeting abandonment and subsequent financial consequences, it occurs to me that the meeting could just have easily been rained off. What would the difference have been? People expect natural things like rainoffs, but it's different when negligence and cover ups are expected to be accepted. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 He also owns a blinds business and installed the blinds at the NSS so it's probably to do with that. But again it doesn't surprise me if zagar dIddnt even have to pay for his mechanic and all he had to do is show Up and ride his bike for allegedly 3k per meeting £1000 per point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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