Noodles Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Where ever u sit/stand the viewing is the best in the world bar none And for me West terrace is Deffo best view in the house. And it also as a view of the pits Why were they only made available after the south terrace had sold out? I would have liked the option to stand in the West terrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) So, how is the viewing at the new stadium? I have tickets for the west terrace for the World Cup Final (not many tickets left). Will I be getting a good view? The viewings much the same all round don`t worry you`ll have a good view. but you won`t be able to flit around from stand to stand if you`re not happy. When the Bees were there the dust blew towards the pits Edited June 6, 2016 by dornier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 So, how is the viewing at the new stadium? I have tickets for the west terrace for the World Cup Final (not many tickets left). Will I be getting a good view? I have a ticket in the West Terrace too and having stood their last week I'm more than happy with my ticket choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Where ever u sit/stand the viewing is the best in the world bar none And for me West terrace is Deffo best view in the house. And it also as a view of the pits Best in the world ? take it you have been to Workington! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Best in the world ? take it you have been to Workington! A long long time ago. But there is not 2 bad view in the house. Some tracks have great views like bell vue but not everywhere in the stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I have a ticket in the West Terrace too and having stood their last week I'm more than happy with my ticket choice. Me and Rob also. More by luck than judgement though as the back straight had sold out. It was either west stand or expensive grandstand seats. If you are considering going better get a ticket there can't be many left by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Just got my tickets yesterday for West Terrace.I've been in grandstand and back straight stand so somewhere else for World Cup final is good.Great viewing guaranteed anywhere as you are so close to the track.Think it will be sold out soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notenoughnerve Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 West stand for me too. My big sis is coming and she hasn't seen a meeting since 1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Firstly well done to the promotion for achieving planning permission,proper concrete news.For me this is where the hard work really starts, ensuring that the stadium is built to schedule and doesn't incur any additional,potentially crippling costs.Looking at the detail, still not sure how the promotion will manage to pay back in excess of 4 grand a week including the close season .There's no money to be made in British speedway any more ,not sure there is a market for corporate hospitality to watch Belle Vue and how much demand there will be for weddings overlooking a speedway track / hockey pitch.Before people jump on me just remember Waterden Road Hackney,a brand new stadium,(even held a GP) that went to the wall at a time when speedway and the economy were in a much healthier state. Took no pleasure at the time in laying out how absurd the business plan for this stadium was only to be shot down by the Belle Vue mafia and negated by Phil Rising saying his friends Gordon and Morton were backed by a consortium of business titans. If it is the case that no rent has been paid on this stadium since its inception then where has all the money gone? surely there are questions to answer, simply insolvency and retirement by the CEO isn't just sufficient ! Edited November 3, 2016 by New Science 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If no rent has been paid all year then it's not a poor business plan, it's out and out fraud surely?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 If no rent has been paid all year then it's not a poor business plan, it's out and out fraud surely?! You can only presume "we will pay up in one go when we get our money back for the first nights fiasco" was the constant mantra and accepted by the Council...? Strange to allow a tenant to go a full term without any money being paid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) One thing that should be remembered in the future by some here is that when others raise concerns about the people, management or long term viability of a plan. Is to give those concerns a little more consideration. This thread, and others, had some very reasonable questions raised by those not-so-blinkered and they were shot down in flames time and again. And by some pretty heavy artillery. The NSS is a magnificent facility and we all want to see it suceed. But honestly, there were alarm bells ringing in all directions for a very long time and not a word featured in print. The PR spin was always in the promotion's favour. Everywhere. Being a little cynical on some matters is not a bad thing. Blind faith in outlandish promises just because of 'plausible words' gets you in a whole heap of trouble. The Emperor's new clothes, and all. Edited November 4, 2016 by Grand Central 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) I can only surmise - and obviously am not party to the real facts - but possibly the action taken in regard to the stadium by the local council was because of concerns in regard to the continuation of payments to them being met in the close season when no revenue was possibly going to be forthcoming? Like it or not, at the end of the day the council's responsibility is to its own residents and ratepayers many of whom have no interest in speedway rather than our sport? Edited November 4, 2016 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Took no pleasure at the time in laying out how absurd the business plan for this stadium was only to be shot down by the Belle Vue mafia and negated by Phil Rising saying his friends Gordon and Morton were backed by a consortium of business titans. If it is the case that no rent has been paid on this stadium since its inception then where has all the money gone? surely there are questions to answer, simply insolvency and retirement by the CEO isn't just sufficient ! WAITING for Philippe's instant (!) response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I can only surmise - and obviously am not party to the real facts - but possibly the action taken in regard to the stadium by the local council was because of concerns in regard to the continuation of payments to them being met in the close season when no revenue was possibly going to be forthcoming? Like it or not, at the end of the day the council's responsibility is to its own residents and ratepayers many of whom have no interest in speedway rather than our sport? As gustix says, the council's prime responsibility is to safeguard the interests of their council tax payers. Why they have allowed their tenant to decline to pay their rent, I have no idea but I am sure that questions will be asked in the council chamber. When I have owed the council any money, the threatening letters have arrived in double-quick time and I can only assume that Belle Vue Arena/Speedway Ltd were possibly suggesting that more funds would be forthcoming and this has not materialized. I think that a lot of questions remain unanswered here and I cannot see why Manchester City Council would wish to take on another set of speedway tenants who would be equally unlikely to be able to afford the £200,000+ per annum rent without some other party underwriting the arrangement. I'm sure Manchester City FC could you use the facility as a training ground and £200,000 is a bit of small change from the back of the settee for them. Yet another entry in the long list of shooting yourself in the foot fiascos for British speedway. What next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Income just from ticket sales must have been at least £500k this season. It comes as no surprise to read that no rent was paid as I was told that the council waived rental payments as part compensation for the opening night. Debts accrued at the dog track have brought this down. But the statements claims we dIddnt pay any rent so clearly the council expected us to pay rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Well someone itk reads this forum who knows me has just sent me a very long text and I'm right about the rent, it also confirms some of my other suspicions by filling in some other gaps. I'm. Sure there is alot more to be released within the coming weeks. And hopefully the truth will come out at some point. There's no point pointing fingers now. We need a solution and fast and move forward. A fresh start sounds Good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 More than 2 years ago ... 5th June 2014 to be precise ... I posted the following inside the opening 30 posts of this thread ... "If the clowns that run Belle Vue are getting so excited about this basic step, no wonder they're going to be so far out of their depth if they ever have to actually run this project should it ever get completed." The basic step in question was the chance for the general public to view the plans for the new stadium at their local library. SInce then, various Belle Vue apologists (as well as Philip Rising and others from a more general background in speedway) have often challenged my attitude towards Dave Gordon and Chris Morton, an attitude that was based on several dealings with that duo a few years ago. They've also brushed aside my fearful contempt for the whole financial structure of the National Stadium project despite my grateful acknowledgement of Manchester City Council's up-front payback-later funding of the stadium's construction. Among further posts on this forum, I've noted how much extra financial pressure was put on the project when it was confirmed the repayment schedule was being cut from the original 60 years to just 24 years, thus requiring far more of the gate-money each year would need to be diverted towards that speeded-up schedule. I've always been sceptical about the ability of this stadium to attract anywhere near as much off-track business (weddings & other functions, corporate days, etc) as seemed necessary to secure its cash-flow ... that scepticism was based on both the location and mismanagement angles. As for the opening night fiasco and the several weeks of "not quite ready yet" snags afterwards, it was a spectacular reinforcement of the clowns' wretched inability to run the speedway side of the new stadium successfully. Chris Morton was a fantastic rider and, I'm sure, is great at passing on that experience to help other riders in the pits but when it comes to financial matters he is cluelessly naive. How riders kept waiting for lumps of money year after year have still remained involved with the Aces into following seasons while Dave Gordon has still been involved as well has beggared belief. I repeat now what I've said several times before on this forum that I've always welcomed the idea, the building and the concept of a National Speedway Stadium and, indeed, I've welcomed its location in one of this country's biggest cities that has such a proud heritage within the sport, I also feel very sorry for the loyal Belle Vue fans who've had to put up with their beloved Aces being run so deviously by these clowns for so long. Manchester City Council continue to deserve support, not just for their part in building the stadium but, clearly now, their willingness to try to find a way of not being left with a "white elephant" on their books. I hope there are speedway folk able to match up realistically the stadium's potential to that support from the council. But. albeit many years and months too late, at least now those clowns are out of the way and I look forward to anyone who's defended Chris Morton and Dave Gordon against my criticisms in the past having the guts to admit maybe they shouldn't have been so supportive of them when being so dismissive of my observations. To sum up, I rest my case very sincerely. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho3a Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) So are we also saying the stadium is not used on a daily basis ? Everyone talks about speedway but as far as i was aware the top class facilities were made available for corporate/Business hire and functions Weddings/Parties etc, surely that should provide a reasonable regular income if managed correctly, Room Hire, profit on banqueting and more to the point Bar takings.. We have to remember this was not just a speedway stadium but a multi use multi purpose venue !! Will be watching this closely as there clearly was money coming in ! https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/b-v-arena https://companycheck.co.uk/company/07608471/B-V-ARENA-LIMITED/companies-house-data https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07608471/filing-history Edited November 4, 2016 by psycho3a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Thumper Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 So are we also saying the stadium is not used on a daily basis ? Everyone talks about speedway but as far as i was aware the top class facilities were made available for corporate/Business hire and functions Weddings/Parties etc, surely that should provide a reasonable regular income if managed correctly, Room Hire, profit on banqueting and more to the point Bar takings.. We have to remember this was not just a speedway stadium but a multi use multi purpose venue !! Will be watching this closely as there clearly was money coming in ! Yes indeed, there were ambitious plans to use the venue for purposes other than speedway. But as Phil The Ace has kindly informed us, these plans came to nothing:- http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=82877&page=19 So the question remains - what can be changed to make Belle Vue Arena a viable enterprise and one that can afford to pay it's rent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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