Danish Gp 28/6

[Haza]

After attending last nights Gp firstly congratulations to NKI great win well done Puk .

Also I want to comment on Chris Harris gp form to me he is clearly out of his depth and competing at this leavel must be costing him a fortune for little reward is it time for Chris to consider his future in the SGP series ?

[OveFundinFan]

Haza, re Chris Harris.

I agree with you that he must surely realise that his year is not going to get better, no matter how much he hypes himself up, and yes it must be costing a lot of money to compete at that level.

I would much rather have had Chris Holder racing last night, but it shows by having the series first reserve racing, MJJ, that the championship series would be the richer for Harris pulling out. Even the wild card didnt just out perform him, but way out performed him.

Cant see that he will jack it in though, and their are those who will say why should he, he qualified and thus entitled to be their, and they are not wrong, but......

[Haza]

Haza, re Chris Harris.

I agree with you that he must surely realise that his year is not going to get better, no matter how much he hypes himself up, and yes it must be costing a lot of money to compete at that level.

I would much rather have had Chris Holder racing last night, but it shows by having the series first reserve racing, MJJ, that the championship series would be the richer for Harris pulling out. Even the wild card didnt just out perform him, but way out performed him.

Cant see that he will jack it in though, and their are those who will say why should he, he qualified and thus entitled to be their, and they are not wrong, but......

100% right Chris qualified so has every right to be there all I'm saying is why put him self through this in my opinion he's reached his peak and who will forget that Cardiff win ? But the cost of competing at this level must be hard to swallow with little points reward .

[spencebel]

Congrats to Niels.

Roll on Cardiff

[Paulco]

 

You must have witnessed some incredible meetings if you rate that rubbish, it was ok imo, some good passes and not easy to know who would make the semis before the last round of heats. Really interesting meeting for me, enjoyed it, roll on Cardiff, hope they get the track right.

 

Well done Batchelor, never would have expected that points haul from him.....

I support Glasgow , so of course i have . The earlyish part of this GP was rubbish , as is the norm with temporary tracks . Gradually it did improve , but it wasn't a classic by any stretch of the imagination .

[Ghostwalker]

100% right Chris qualified so has every right to be there all I'm saying is why put him self through this in my opinion he's reached his peak and who will forget that Cardiff win ? But the cost of competing at this level must be hard to swallow with little points reward .

 

No he didn't and no he hasn't. The only reason that he is in this years GP-series is that he got a freebie into the GP-challenge final when Zagar pulled out.

He was given this freebie ahead of many other who actually had finished the qualifiers ahead of Harris and far from everyone of them was asked if they were

interested in the vacant slot on the GP-challenge. So I why are you keep claiming that he qualified by right?

[Midland Red]

Anyone else think Bachelor should have been the GP winner?

Sure, NKI won the scratch race final after the main meeting!

But shouldn't the event be 20 heats, 5 rides against all the others, top scorer wins?

I think it's a nonsense - and yes, I was made up when Bomber won the final in Cardiff!!!

But it doesn't change my feelings

[waiheke1]

They are the odds on Troy going through the card.

If he had eight rides maybe. With seven rides its approx 16000-1 on a rider doing it, if you take the simplistic assumption that a rider has a one in four chance of winning a heat.

[Trees]

Anyone else think Bachelor should have been the GP winner?

Sure, NKI won the scratch race final after the main meeting!

But shouldn't the event be 20 heats, 5 rides against all the others, top scorer wins?

I think it's a nonsense - and yes, I was made up when Bomber won the final in Cardiff!!!

But it doesn't change my feelings

Like the old days ha .... of course it should but that's not the modern way lol

[OveFundinFan]

No doubt in my mind that Batch was THE top man on the night.. Even in the final he was all over the back of NKI, much faster.

Kildemand was probably 2nd best on the night, looks like he is built like a tank. He probably models himself on my fitness regime....ha ha.

However, the rules say........

I reckon Tai will be there in the last race of the night and to win it.

Zagar could be there too.

 

Outsider would be Smolinski - if he can get his gating back to how it was in NZealand

My predication was pretty way out.

Must try harder.

[mickthemuppet]

Anyone else think Bachelor should have been the GP winner?

Sure, NKI won the scratch race final after the main meeting!

But shouldn't the event be 20 heats, 5 rides against all the others, top scorer wins?

I think it's a nonsense - and yes, I was made up when Bomber won the final in Cardiff!!!

But it doesn't change my feelings

100% agree with you. After beating every rider in the first 20 heats Troy Batchelor should be the winner.. It's not right that you finish 8th after 5 rides then win the final

Even worse in Prague as Darcy Ward won his first 5 rides and beati every rider yet did not even make the final.

 

A fairer way would be the winner of the first 20 heats would go to a Grand Final. The riders finishing 2nd to 9th go into a normal semi final and final . Then the winner of this would go into a match race with the top points scorer of the first twenty heats.

If he had eight rides maybe. With seven rides its approx 16000-1 on a rider doing it, if you take the simplistic assumption that a rider has a one in four chance of winning a heat.

I'm sorry but that is pure rubbish

Troy Batchelor odds to win his first 5 heats were 8/1, 5/1, 4/1, 8/1, 4/1. For those 5 alone the odds are 12,149-1

[SCB]

I'm sorry but that is pure rubbish

Troy Batchelor odds to win his first 5 heats were 8/1, 5/1, 4/1, 8/1, 4/1. For those 5 alone the odds are 12,149-1

But thats a related bet. Once he had won his first ride all them odds would have at least halved. By the time he'd done his 2nd ride they're have all halved again. once he'd won his 3rd ride his odds to win any heat would not have been great. I make that about 800/1 then. So the bookie offering 1000/1 is being generous.

[Midland Red]

The daft part is, you could scrape through with 22111=7, come 2nd heat 21, win heat 23, and be crowned GP winner

 

Yes, I know all the riders know that beforehand, but . . . . . Ward at Prague, Batch at Parken!

 

Another lack of credibility - credibility is referred to in another thread about the future of speedway

[Shale Searcher]

I'm sure someone qualified once for the semis, a good few years ago with 6pts..........?

[pandorum]

The daft part is, you could scrape through with 22111=7, come 2nd heat 21, win heat 23, and be crowned GP winner

 

Yes, I know all the riders know that beforehand, but . . . . . Ward at Prague, Batch at Parken!

 

Another lack of credibility - credibility is referred to in another thread about the future of speedway

But that happens in any sport that has a play off system. The first part is qualifying and the second part is about winning the prize.

Are you saying that the Championship has no credibility because the team that comes sixth can end up in the Premiership?

It is one of the most exciting football leagues in Britain and the teams seem to have no problem with the system.

 

Likewise the SGP is one of the best ideas speedway has ever had. A 15 point max does not guarantee you will end up with a trophy as it just gets you first pick of a gate.

The old system was pretty dull as half the field never had a chance and the excitement was pretty much over half way through.

The SGP has two levels of excitement as in the champion that day and the overall race for the title.

Even Chris Harris provided some excitement yesterday beating Greg in a vital race.

I grew up with the old world championships and can see by a mile the SGP is way better.

We can learn from the past but living in it is a bit sad

[nw42]

But that happens in any sport that has a play off system. The first part is qualifying and the second part is about winning the prize.

Are you saying that the Championship has no credibility because the team that comes sixth can end up in the Premiership?

It is one of the most exciting football leagues in Britain and the teams seem to have no problem with the system.

 

Likewise the SGP is one of the best ideas speedway has ever had. A 15 point max does not guarantee you will end up with a trophy as it just gets you first pick of a gate.

The old system was pretty dull as half the field never had a chance and the excitement was pretty much over half way through.

The SGP has two levels of excitement as in the champion that day and the overall race for the title.

Even Chris Harris provided some excitement yesterday beating Greg in a vital race.

I grew up with the old world championships and can see by a mile the SGP is way better.

We can learn from the past but living in it is a bit sad

 

 

Can't argue with any of that, can't understand why people are griping, everyone knows the system and it works fine. Troy Batchelor did well enough last night to get himself amongst the riders pushing to get into one of the top eight places, before last night he was languishing down amongst the dead men with Chris Harris, I'm sure he's happy with his work and will no doubt feel a lot more confident next time out.

 

I enjoyed last nights meeting, great to see different riders staking a claim, much better than having one or two steaming away into the distance with unassailable points totals, roll on Cardiff.

[iris123]

Personally think this system is much better than the one before when a rider got into the final with less points than others and ended up with top points just because he won the final.At least with this system the rider with the most points over the season wins the title,rather than the one who fluked a few finals.I see no problem that every point counts

[SCB]

I'm sure someone qualified once for the semis, a good few years ago with 6pts..........?

Scott Nicholls in Italy. Two wins and 3 lasts and had to be called back out of the changing room for the semis.

 

edit - it was 2005

Edited June 29, 2014 by SCB

[Bruiser McHuge]

I think the current GP system works perfectly...every point counts and the most points means you are world champion, but each meeting builds to the glory of actually winning the GP but somebody finishing 2nd or 3rd don't lose all the points they earned in the meeting, which they used to.....the system now is excellent , both for riders and fans in my opinion .....and the world champion is a deserved world champion at the end of it all

[noggin]

I also think the current format is fine, If Batch had been seeded straight to the final, he would be 3pts worse off, so you would have to say the semis were for places only and not points, leave well alone I say.