Hodgy Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'm not defending Pedersen for Saturday but on Eurosport's Swedish match today Peter Kildermand did exactly the same move in heat 8 as Pedersen to Zagar. He fenced himself but he could have took two opposition riders with him. If it was exactly the same move it would have had exactly the same result. Not the same at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 If it was exactly the same move it would have had exactly the same result. Not the same at all.it depwnds on how the rider on the outside reacts to it. In heat 18 on saturday ward does the same move on batch but batch dosent try to clamp him and lets him by and then cut back but it is the same move and have a look how far ward has to go across the white line to pass batch then look how pedersen dosent go across white line .so who had the most room for their dive?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 it depwnds on how the rider on the outside reacts to it. In heat 18 on saturday ward does the same move on batch but batch dosent try to clamp him and lets him by and then cut back but it is the same move and have a look how far ward has to go across the white line to pass batch then look how pedersen dosent go across white line .so who had the most room for their dive?. I don't understand where you are coming from. Zager is holding his line on the 3rd bend, not clamping anyone. Pedersen slams straight into him, either going for a gap that wasn't there, trying too hard to move him over or totally misjudging his speed. Whichever it was the conclusion was without doubt Pedersen caused the crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) I don't understand where you are coming from. Zager is holding his line on the 3rd bend, not clamping anyone. Pedersen slams straight into him, either going for a gap that wasn't there, trying too hard to move him over or totally misjudging his speed. Whichever it was the conclusion was without doubt Pedersen caused the crash. but thats the point pedersen dosent slam into him .when pedersen dives and they meet there is no contact. They travel together to the middle of the corner and then there is contact. Zagar does nothing wrong but when pedersen comes along side him he could of backed off and cut back like batch did with ward but its a gp and not many back off. Pedersen was rightly excluded it was a hard move not a dangerous one. Anybody else and nothing would of been said but everybody jumping on anti pedersen bandwagen instead of seeing it for the incident it was. This type of move happens on most big wide tracks every week by most riders. I am not a fan of pedersen by any means and some of the things he does are ruthless/dangerous but not saturdays. but thats the point pedersen dosent slam into him .when pedersen dives and they meet there is no contact. They travel together to the middle of the corner and then there is contact. Zagar does nothing wrong but when pedersen comes along side him he could of backed off and cut back like batch did with ward but its a gp and not many back off. Pedersen was rightly excluded it was a hard move not a dangerous one. Anybody else and nothing would of been said but everybody jumping on anti pedersen bandwagen instead of seeing it for the incident it was. This type of move happens on most big wide tracks every week by most riders. I am not a fan of pedersen by any means and some of the things he does are ruthless/dangerous but not saturdays .the speed zagars bike takes off isnt because of the force of pedersens impact ,its a result of the modern bike. It revs so hard than when anything causes a bit if traction it fires like a bullet from a gun Edited June 18, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 I see Scott Nicholls now having a pop at Nicki P now---of course from the safety of Twitter and the TV studios,also i guess safe in the Knowledge that he wont be good enough to ride in the same leagues and Nicki in the near future!!! I like Scott but for heavens sake grow up,not as it he aint dished it out a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 If it was exactly the same move it would have had exactly the same result. Not the same at all. Rubbish. Same divebombing move but Hansen stayed on his bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) I see Scott Nicholls now having a pop at Nicki P now---of course from the safety of Twitter and the TV studios,also i guess safe in the Knowledge that he wont be good enough to ride in the same leagues and Nicki in the near future!!! I like Scott but for heavens sake grow up,not as it he aint dished it out a few times He probably wanted to say this yonks ago, Pedersen has got away with murder for years.From now on hopefully the GP riders will be looking for him i hope so what comes around! Plus i would not think Scott would loose any sleep worrying about Pedersen, far from it last Saturday he looked a sad figure s... himself a glorified bully. Edited June 19, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Rubbish. Same divebombing move but Hansen stayed on his bike. I think not!!! But hey it's all about opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Speedway Star today are giving plenty of coverage to the incident and it appears the other GP riders are not fans of Nicki P either. I think the yellow/red card system is a good ideal for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) I don't understand where you are coming from. Zager is holding his line on the 3rd bend, not clamping anyone. Pedersen slams straight into him, either going for a gap that wasn't there, trying too hard to move him over or totally misjudging his speed. Whichever it was the conclusion was without doubt Pedersen caused the crash. There was no collision on the entry to the 3rd bend so you are clearly watching something different. The contact comes almost halfway round the corner, they are alongside each other up till that point with no contact. Now seeing as at this point Nicki is still tight to the inside, wheel over the line, he hasn't moved out.. yet we now have contact, which can mean only one thing, Zagar has moved in to try and block him. Don't let what actually happened get in the way though. Nicki has pulled some crazy, dangerous moves in the past, this wasn't one of them. Edited June 19, 2014 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 There was no collision on the entry to the 3rd bend so you are clearly watching something different. The contact comes almost halfway round the corner, they are alongside each other up till that point with no contact. Now seeing as at this point Nicki is still tight to the inside, wheel over the line, he hasn't moved out.. yet we now have contact, which can mean only one thing, Zagar has moved in to try and block him. Don't let what actually happened get in the way though. Nicki has pulled some crazy, dangerous moves in the past, this wasn't one of them. LOOK where Zagar went into the fence ... wouldn't say that was halfway round the corner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 LOOK where Zagar went into the fence ... wouldn't say that was halfway round the corner.you and your "mates" are exactly the reason why there shouldnt be a red card system in speedway. You judge nicki on reputation and already have him guilty before he has his bike out the van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 you and your "mates" are exactly the reason why there shouldnt be a red card system in speedway. You judge nicki on reputation and already have him guilty before he has his bike out the van.Forget about Nicki reputation you simply can't defend that move on Sat.IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Forget about Nicki reputation you simply can't defend that move on Sat.IMO ok if so dangerous ban him from next gp and dont forget to ban bomber in his move on lindgren and ward for his move on batchelor because they were the same move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 ok if so dangerous ban him from next gp and dont forget to ban bomber in his move on lindgren and ward for his move on batchelor because they were the same moveWho was sent hurtling into the fence with the moves you mention.GP riders all have the ability to avoid a crash.Zager done nothing wrong IMO was just sent through the fence by Nicki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 you and your "mates" are exactly the reason why there shouldnt be a red card system in speedway. You judge nicki on reputation and already have him guilty before he has his bike out the van. NOT at all... even Nicki has admitted that on this occasion he should have been excluded but that he didn't deliberately 'fence' Zagar. It was just the consequence of his attempt to pass the Slovenian! However, I do think the lack of remorse on his part doesn't help. Zagar may have escaped injury but his bike was a costly wreck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 NOT at all... even Nicki has admitted that on this occasion he should have been excluded but that he didn't deliberately 'fence' Zagar. It was just the consequence of his attempt to pass the Slovenian! However, I do think the lack of remorse on his part doesn't help. Zagar may have escaped injury but his bike was a costly wreck. It's a fair exclution, and hadn't the aftermath played out the way it did, I believe this thread would've been at least ten pages shorter. Nicki got back on his bike, Zagar fumed and swung and the circus is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 NOT at all... even Nicki has admitted that on this occasion he should have been excluded but that he didn't deliberately 'fence' Zagar. It was just the consequence of his attempt to pass the Slovenian! However, I do think the lack of remorse on his part doesn't help. Zagar may have escaped injury but his bike was a costly wreck. the damage to zagar's bike is because how the modern bike reacts rather than the contact from nicki bike .they scream their nuts off (look at zagars hand in pic 2 the throttle is wide open)and as soon as they get out of control they fire like a bullet. I dont see the riders calling for revs to be cut do you?. I do agree nicki should of been excluded and his lack of care afterwards was not good but the incident is the same move we see many times on every big track and if it was anybody else we wouldnt be talking about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 NOT at all... even Nicki has admitted that on this occasion he should have been excluded but that he didn't deliberately 'fence' Zagar. It was just the consequence of his attempt to pass the Slovenian! However, I do think the lack of remorse on his part doesn't help. Zagar may have escaped injury but his bike was a costly wreck. That's the issue for me, I wonder when Pedersen loaded up before heading off to Poland he had any remorse at all, he doesn't have to admit it but one wonders if there was any there to admit. Riders cause accidents in the GP`s all the time, surely its part of the racing, the vast majority of which are just racing accidents, though the idea of some red or yellow card system I find quite laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 can someone explain how Nicki's bike was still running after he clearly was separated from it during the crash what about the cut-out Health and safety issue ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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