THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Anyone with Speedway knowledge could see Pedersen caused the crash, his fault. 100/0%. If Zager holds the line doesn't mean Pedersen can slam into him, then call it 50/50.it is pedersens fault 100% but he dosent slam into him ,when they meet going into corner (the point where pedersen is carrying more speed and would slam into him)they dont touch, its in the middle of corner that they touch some 30ft difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Nicki is in the wrong. 100% IMO. But it's a GP, you have to take these risk. Bomber did the same to Freddie in heat 4(?) and Freddie moved over, if it had been Freddie and not Matej then Freddie would have moved out of the way. While referees allow rider to "move over" other riders, you'll always have rider to do this. Nicki did NOT kick Matej off his bike, despite the speedway star twitter photos. Nicki clashed with Matej and as well as sending Matej to the fence unbalanced himself, this lead to him falling off the bike and his leg sticking up. Nicki kicking Matej and riding off was the actions of a coward. Either stay and sort it out or ride off at the first sign of trouble. Don't kick and then ride off. So in summing up, Nicki = bad man but not the anti-Christ he's being painted here. Now some of his other moves in the past, they were bad. As for karma, we've been saying that for 15 years. Nicki generally seems to bounce/crash well - maybe thats why he can't see what he is doing is so bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) Lots of armchair experts trying to suggest it was somehow at least partly zagars fault for deciding to 'hold his line', or 'choosing to block him', I'm surprised nobody has suggested it was zagars fault because he was in the race with the loon, lol! In the meantime the real experts who, have expressed an opinion have said it was a stupid move and the rest, including the idiot himself, have not tried to even suggest Zagar contributed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fair enough thats your view,i just felt Zagar thought it was one of Nikkis really bad moves he pulls and thats why he acted the way he did,when in hindsight it was a controlled move that just happened to go wrong with neither rider giving an inch.It will be interesting what Zagar says in next weeks speedway star,any chance of a sneak preview phil!!!! Edited June 16, 2014 by speedwaysliders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Nicki is in the wrong. 100% IMO. But it's a GP, you have to take these risk. Bomber did the same to Freddie in heat 4(?) and Freddie moved over, if it had been Freddie and not Matej then Freddie would have moved out of the way. While referees allow rider to "move over" other riders, you'll always have rider to do this. Nicki did NOT kick Matej off his bike, despite the speedway star twitter photos. Nicki clashed with Matej and as well as sending Matej to the fence unbalanced himself, this lead to him falling off the bike and his leg sticking up. Nicki kicking Matej and riding off was the actions of a coward. Either stay and sort it out or ride off at the first sign of trouble. Don't kick and then ride off. So in summing up, Nicki = bad man but not the anti-Christ he's being painted here. Now some of his other moves in the past, they were bad. As for karma, we've been saying that for 15 years. Nicki generally seems to bounce/crash well - maybe thats why he can't see what he is doing is so bad? The only difference being Lindgren had that slight opportunity to move over, Zager didn't. Slam Dunk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) [quote name="Drop a cog" post="2466976" timestamp="1402940582" If any of the armchair 'experts' can find a bona fide expert to publicly defend the knob then their point of view might hold some water but in the meantime I'm with the majority who realise riding a speedway bike like perdesen will cause accidents. sorry didnt know you were a renound speedway legend. Its hard to tell when you hide behind a avtar. Had i known i would never or questioned your wisdom in such maters from my armchair .see what i did there ,i used sarcasm to make my point Edited June 16, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Lots of armchair experts trying to suggest it was somehow at least partly zagars fault for deciding to 'hold his line', or 'choosing to block him', I'm surprised nobody has suggested it was zagars fault because he was in the race with the loon, lol! In the meantime the real experts, who have expressed an opinion, have said it was a stupid move and the rest, including the idiot himself, have not tried to even suggest Zagar contributed. If any of the armchair 'experts' can find a bona fide expert to publicly defend the knob then their point of view might hold some water but in the meantime I'm with the majority who realise riding a speedway bike like perdesen will cause accidents. I Would Erik Gundersen count as a "bona fide expert? Talk of smear campaign and a campaign aginst Nicki by some of the younger riders,led by the Aussie pair...... http://holsted-speedway.dk/nyheder/er+nicki+p+en+%22bad+guy%22+eller+offer+for+en+hetz_501/ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 If they are wrong then I'm in very good company unlike you lot. Having talked to Erik on a number of occasions,i can honestly say he is "very good company" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) Would Erik Gundersen count as a "bona fide expert? http://holsted-speedway.dk/nyheder/er+nicki+p+en+%22bad+guy%22+eller+offer+for+en+hetz_501/ A translation from Gundersen would go like this: "There's no doubt that Nicki is the target of a smear campaign just now. Nicki is a hard, tough rider, who occasionally ride on the legal limit, and therefore ends up on the wrong side, naturally, but he's neither worse nor better than most of his competitors, as far as this is concerned." About the incident, he sais this: "Nicki dives into a hole on the inside, where Zagar himself opens up at the entrance to turn three. It's tough racing, Nicki hits Zagar and is rightfully excluded, and that should be the end of it." Gundersen also reminds people that speedway is a contact sport, even though not compared to stock-car racing. "It's not like there should be sparks flying, but some shoulder- and elbow action is part of the sport" One thing Gundersen is tired of was the incidents in the pit. "Violence doesn't belong anywhere, and Zagars behaviour in the pits should have major consequences, but unfortunately other rules obviously apply to the stars from the ones we follow daily." Edited June 16, 2014 by mothorsen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Clearly Gundersen is bias, he doesn't mention Nicki's kick out at Zagar on track ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Yes a case of rose tinted specs there by Erik. Fair enough Nicki is a fellow Dane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Clearly Gundersen is bias, he doesn't mention Nicki's kick out at Zagar on track ..... I'd say most people are biased one way or the other when it comes to Nicki.And long before last saturday.And in fairness to Erik,we don't know if he mentioned the kick and it was edited out by a biased guy/woman at Holsted...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 In Doug Templetons hey-day Nicki would have left the track on a stretcher !!!!!!! After such a move. Sadly I don't regard that as a credit comment for Doug Templeton, who in his racing days was a big favourite of mine - as was his brother Willie. A translation from Gundersen would go like this: "There's no doubt that Nicki is the target of a smear campaign just now. Nicki is a hard, tough rider, who occasionally ride on the legal limit, and therefore ends up on the wrong side, naturally, but he's neither worse nor better than most of his competitors, as far as this is concerned." About the incident, he sais this: "Nicki dives into a hole on the inside, where Zagar himself opens up at the entrance to turn three. It's tough racing, Nicki hits Zagar and is rightfully excluded, and that should be the end of it." Gundersen also reminds people that speedway is a contact sport, even though not compared to stock-car racing. "It's not like there should be sparks flying, but some shoulder- and elbow action is part of the sport" One thing Gundersen is tired of was the incidents in the pit. "Violence doesn't belong anywhere, and Zagars behaviour in the pits should have major consequences, but unfortunately other rules obviously apply to the stars from the ones we follow daily." In the contact forumulas of stock car racing is it is vehicle contact NOT personal attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Sadly I don't regard that as a credit comment for Doug Templeton, who in his racing days was a big favourite of mine - as was his brother Willie.No problem but I witnessed Doug punch his brother Willie after a race incident at Coatbridge so hell knows what he would have done to someone he didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Gundersen is a perfect example that this sport is dangerous enough without Pedersen's kamikaze moves. He states the incident was tough racing (tough racing that could have been fatal) yet wants the book throwing at Zager for the handbags in the pits. You couldn't make it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwayfun Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 I wonder what the response would be if zagar had broken both his legs. pederson is a dirty rider and always has been it is interesting that he is so often involved in incidents 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 What got me wasn't the actual incident but the total lack of regard or respect for a fellow rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 I'm not defending Pedersen for Saturday but on Eurosport's Swedish match today Peter Kildermand did exactly the same move in heat 8 as Pedersen to Zagar. He fenced himself but he could have took two opposition riders with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Ah yes, Zagar is badly injured isn't he. Forgive me, but if someone approaches me, walking, and strikes me, I assume they're not particularly hurt at that point. He could of broke both of Zagar's legs did you forget that? With Pedersen there has been numerous incidents over the years and he is still there with that big smug grin!I don't think he would of had that grin, over the years with the likes of Gresham,Millen,Browning,Clarke,Argall,Templeton,J.Beaton,Broadbanks,(ect) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Has anyone ever seen Nicki apologise or own up for a crash being his fault? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'm not defending Pedersen for Saturday but on Eurosport's Swedish match today Peter Kildermand did exactly the same move in heat 8 as Pedersen to Zagar. He fenced himself but he could have took two opposition riders with him. Many riders do these desperate mad moves now and then but the point about Nicki is HE does this stuff all of the time. He is just a big bully but does not have the bottle to back it up as we saw when he ran away from Zagar and hid in the pits where he knew he would get protection. The man (and I use the word loosely) is a coward and the most annoying thing is he is a great rider and does not need to do this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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