Leicester V King's Lynn Saturday June 7th

[weatherwatcher]

I have watched quite a few meetings this year at home and the Swedish series on Eurosport, and the racing is very much the same with quite a lot of racing just being dick follow the leader, true BP has more than most, but I think this all boils down to the fact these days that the top riders have an advantage over the other, lower order riders. I saw an interview with Ivenson asking him how many bikeus he had, this just goes to show the uper hand these rider have, he said 2 not counting my 5 GP bikes, I have between 8 or 9 bikes, in diferent parts of the world so I don't have to keep shiping them around the world2.

How many lower order riders could afford this sort of outlay, and his work shop was larger than my house and looked something like a F1 racing team set up.

You find most riders with a tranny van 1 bike and a couple of engines that they have managed to pick up second hand, Which him and his dad play about with in a lock up garage in between races as the outlay of a new engine is above him and his parents can aford.

So when it comes down to racing the ones with the faster bike goes out in the lead followed by a slower progresion of slower bikes.

It all boils down to how much money you have to send on the bikes and the set ups. It is the higher order that is always at the top.

Until something is done to make all riders race on standard bikes then all we are going to see is this dick follow the leader racing.

That way everyone is on a level playing field it will then be the riders ability that wins races not the who can spend the most money to win all the glory.

With standard bikes you would then see a better class of closer racing with none of the riders, flying half a lap in front because he has the better bike.

Hope that makes sense.

But still BP needs something doing to it at the end of it not before the end of this year.

[marko]

Only way to make a point is to boycott but not a few here and there but get together and pick one match, maybe arrange to go there but just sit in car park as a protest, hitting DH in the pocket is the only way, promoters in General would run the sport without us if they could but can't afford to, like it or not they need fans or there play thing becomes an expensive toy they can't keep.

 

In meantime why not sign Daniel Davidsson if he still riding, when he rode for lakeside his gating was immense and would be a ten point rider around that track, probably only three everywhere else though.

[TMW]

We go in hope rather than expectation!

For somebody who's son rides speedway you really know nothing about the sport!

Sorry didn't mean to completely ignore your post cos it is a classic. Just didn't see it.

 

And how pray tell how that makes me any lesd of an armchair promoter than anyone else on here. I don't ride the damn tging myself.

[Nobblytriers]

The point I was making was that I can't say what BR was like because I never went but I imagine most people remember it with nostalgia rather thsn realism the realists tell me the racing eas dire. My apologies if I gave the immpression thst you agreed with me. That wasn't tbe case

 

I've never heard anyone say that the racing at BR was dire (if I read your post right). The Blackbird Road track was always viewed as a very fair racetrack with no home advantage and plenty of passing. British semi finals that were held there were full ... and it was a big stadium! The track had an even banking around the wide bends but this was taken away when Martin Rogers took over. The banking went up to the middle of the track and then went flat to the fence, which meant that if you went wide, you struggled to pass. From what I can remember, the racing in the MR years was never as entertaining as those before. That said, it was still better than what I saw at BP on saturday.

[TMW]

 

I've never heard anyone say that the racing at BR was dire (if I read your post right). The Blackbird Road track was always viewed as a very fair racetrack with no home advantage and plenty of passing. British semi finals that were held there were full ... and it was a big stadium! The track had an even banking around the wide bends but this was taken away when Martin Rogers took over. The banking went up to the middle of the track and then went flat to the fence, which meant that if you went wide, you struggled to pass. From what I can remember, the racing in the MR years was never as entertaining as those before. That said, it was still better than what I saw at BP on saturday.

Sorry I should have could oftrn be dire. If you read a post I made yesterday morning. I stated there that the racing on Saturday was poor.

[robert72]

Sorry I should have could oftrn be dire. If you read a post I made yesterday morning. I stated there that the racing on Saturday was poor.

Just on Saturday ? It's been poor since day one.

[Shale Searcher]

Blackbird Rd was one of the fairest tracks in the Country, there were no overtaking issues under the Martin Rogers tenure! Remember Les Collins and Colin Cooks blasts around the boards passing on the tote bend? Neil Collins and his unbelievable passes underneath riders on turn 4, better known as the City bend, Mark Courtneys back straight swoops, Steve Regeling passing outside on turn 3, we were spoilt for passing, and it was important you could as we were generally as a team, woeful out the gate.... There was some alarming passing manoeuvres some nights and some equally alarming crashes, but it was a reasonably safe track to crash at.... Very forgiving catch fencing all the way around, and the track was manicured by Colin Merideth, cancellations were few and far between, even after the once a month stock car meetings....

[TMW]

Blackbird Rd was one of the fairest tracks in the Country, there were no overtaking issues under the Martin Rogers tenure! Remember Les Collins and Colin Cooks blasts around the boards passing on the tote bend? Neil Collins and his unbelievable passes underneath riders on turn 4, better known as the City bend, Mark Courtneys back straight swoops, Steve Regeling passing outside on turn 3, we were spoilt for passing, and it was important you could as we were generally as a team, woeful out the gate.... There was some alarming passing manoeuvres some nights and some equally alarming crashes, but it was a reasonably safe track to crash at.... Very forgiving catch fencing all the way around, and the track was manicured by Colin Merideth, cancellations were few and far between, even after the once a month stock car meetings....

You mean a bit like Richard Hall and Henning Bager at BP?

[BWitcher]

I always believed a rider was allowed to sort his position out,and are they not meant to be impartial.

 

Then it would be up to the referee to enforce if he felt a marshall was acting inappropriately or outside the rules.

 

Not a prima donna rider.

[Star Lady]

As the referee didn't admonish either the start marshall or NKI, he either thought neither did anything wrong or he wasn't watching

 

There again in the interest of equality, he could have been concentrating on his knitting

[bornagainlion]

 

I only managed 3 heats but without widescreen (very wide screen) it's difficult to get an overall picture of what's going on. One thing you'll not hear at Leicester is that you could cover all four with a blanket!

 

Dr Who's scarf (circa Tom Baker) is what you need to cover all four riders

[Great Central]

It really is such a shame that all of this "track shape" debate detracts from the excellent work that Glyn and Kevin are doing on the racing surface. Saturday night was a peach of a track, even after all the rain that had fallen in the week and on the day. The track is smooth and just keeps generating dirt and they then make the effort to grade it well for the MDL meetings which is much appreciated by the lads racing after the main meeting. The surface has come a long way since the early days but I think Saturday proves that you can't beat Mother Nature's track watering skills!!.

[tellboy]

 

Then it would be up to the referee to enforce if he felt a marshall was acting inappropriately or outside the rules.

 

Not a prima donna rider.

The referee obviously thought the marshall deserved the front wheel incident,or surely the ref would have thrown Iversen out of the meeting,or at least gave him a warning.

[TonyE]

Regulation 15.3.1 states that the rider's wheel shall be within 75mm of the tapes. Obviously, a little leeway is given but when the rider seeks to 'distance himself' from the tapes, then it is the Starting Marshall's job to ensure conformance with the regulations (backed up by the referee as appropriate). Naturally, this should be applied to all riders equally (not just the visiting team)!

[semion]

If its a male starting marshall 75mm could mean anything

[Halifaxtiger]

The BSF hardly a scientific poll is it?

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe not, although I often find that people make such remarks when opinions on here disagree with theirs.

 

The simple truth is that it is feedback from paying customers most of whom have absolutely no axe to grind with Leicester Speedway at all and indeed probably want it to succeed off track if not on.

 

To ignore, brush aside or dismiss comment from such people is something that the owner of a business does at great risk to himself.

Edited June 9, 2014 by Halifaxtiger

[Star Fever]

It really is such a shame that all of this "track shape" debate detracts from the excellent work that Glyn and Kevin are doing on the racing surface. Saturday night was a peach of a track, even after all the rain that had fallen in the week and on the day. The track is smooth and just keeps generating dirt and they then make the effort to grade it well for the MDL meetings which is much appreciated by the lads racing after the main meeting. The surface has come a long way since the early days but I think Saturday proves that you can't beat Mother Nature's track watering skills!!.

No-one is saying the track is not well-prepared - but everyone is saying it is of a design not conducive to speedway racing - which means its unfit for purpose and needs a redesign.

 

No matter how well the track is prepared if you can't race on it then you can't race on it.

As someone said 'its like polishing a turd'.

Edited June 9, 2014 by Star Fever

[speedibee]

No-one is saying the track is not well-prepared - but everyone is saying it is of a design not conducive to speedway racing - which means its unfit for purpose and needs a redesign.

 

No matter how well the track is prepared if you can't race on it then you can't race on it.

As someone said 'its like polishing a turd'.

Iversens performance on Saturday put the track debate beyond any doubt , broke the track record twice which is testament to good preperation . but could not pass Korneliussen in heat 15 which is equal testimony that the track shape prevents overtaking . no more to be said really ,

[nobrakeshere1]

I'd say you are bang on the money there. Have a look at BP and Slater Street on google earth. I think he maybe wanted to create a speedway track that is different to anything else, as a monument to himself. That seems to have been thoroughly achieved

Glyn has been to Slater Street and paced it out, BP is a scaled up version. DH wanted a fast track and to be fair that's what it is, and you can understand the thought process, trouble is it's too fast for the bends. Shorten the straights and it will help no end I'm sure, Who knows if it will happen though, until it does I'm staying away as I've spent hundreds watching garbage. No axe to grind with Dave or any of the management, known most of them for donkeys, so no hidden agenda, but it's not entertaining to watch and like others I've told prospective punters to stay away fearing they will be put off for good..Please, please just make the changes we all know are needed - we are known as the worst track in the country - does anyone really want to have that label attached?

[robert72]

David hemsley has Not spoken out to defend his track or to encourage fans that he will make urgent changes now.

 

No respect to the paying customers.