BluPanther Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Fair play guys on your points of view. I'm more than happy to be told I'm wrong but I was just saying it as I saw it (and stick by it 100%). Just on my other point though - if such a miscarriage of justice was served, don't you find it just a tad strange that neither Jack Lee or Ben got on the pit phone to the ref (assuming they didn't as Sky generally love showing these altercations - possibly as much as we enjoy the added spice)? Not sure why they didn't give a view of the incident front-on; coming into the bend as well though? Just to balance things up, I've always enjoyed watching Ben Barker ride - even way back in his days at Brandon. Nick, on the other hand, is one of those guys who I'm amazed continues to hold down an Elite League position - I truly think he's out of his depth. An Elite Lge average of 6.38 would suggest Nick can swim down the deep end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Fair play guys on your points of view. I'm more than happy to be told I'm wrong but I was just saying it as I saw it (and stick by it 100%). Just on my other point though - if such a miscarriage of justice was served, don't you find it just a tad strange that neither Jack Lee or Ben got on the pit phone to the ref (assuming they didn't as Sky generally love showing these altercations - possibly as much as we enjoy the added spice)? Not sure why they didn't give a view of the incident front-on; coming into the bend as well though? Just to balance things up, I've always enjoyed watching Ben Barker ride - even way back in his days at Brandon. Nick, on the other hand, is one of those guys who I'm amazed continues to hold down an Elite League position - I truly think he's out of his depth. You certainly have not seen Nick ride at the Abbey then, because i find your statement amazing.You are entitled to your opinion of course,i would love to know what his home average is over the last two years?i would think it is quite healthy.Birmingham is not one of Nicks favourite hunting grounds but overall he is improving away from home. Edited June 3, 2014 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Why they were waiting so long before heat 1 I have no idea (well, I do, Sky), Exactly, SkySports with their Swindon influence (Ronnie Russell) had their influence on this meeting all over. They could see the same weather forecasts and weather radar as everyone else. They need to have their commercial breaks, before and during the meeting, so that the meeting couldn't proceed at the usual pace, and between Russell and Rosco, who last time managed to force through Swindon's last rain effected meeting against Belle Vue through to Swindon's advantage, this time managed to delay things enough for Swindon to get a second bite at the cherry. 15 minutes wasted at the start so that people know what insurance to buy and what shaving products to use, and 15 minutes wasted mid meeting so that Rosco can have a blubber over the odd spot or drizzle, and bingo, the meeting was delayed enough for a rematch to be needed. Strange how at Belle Vue last year, Russell was running around at Kirky Lane SO keen to get to heat 10 to get Poole their required result, this time was nowhere to be seen, not imparting any urgency, and just happy to save Swindon's bacon. The speedway establishment in this country STINKS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trubruv Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I really don't understand this mad rush to get to heat 10 philosophy. Just adopt a rule that no result can stand if a meeting is abandoned where that result could still change. It's plain common sense to me. You have hit it right on the head Adder! Simplify the rules, and ensure as you so rightly say: No result stands unless the losing team can not have a chance for a scoring match point! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 all this Rosco bashing truely amazes me.... since when has a team manager have control over the way the meeting is run, especially an away TM... i haven't seen the meeting but reading through the comments on here tells me he did say something along the lines of not rushing through.... .....surely the 'inept' referee ( DR clueless pratt) along with Sky call the shots... 2 minute warnings, advert breaks, Bill & Ben babbling on will hold up the proccedings..?? ...No...?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Nick Morris out of his depth??!! That's top 3 of the most ridiculous posts ever. Some achievement in this place!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yikes Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Was a bit disappointing but as soon as Wolves was off it was obvious that Brum would be next. To be fair to the ref, at a Sky meeting they have minimal input. The pace, 2mins are all under instruction of Sky. The Barker decision was down to him completely though. I asked him why he excluded Barker and apparently Barker didn't react or change his line because of Morris. So was always going down. Would need to see the replay to confirm if that's right or not though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob240866 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Was a bit disappointing but as soon as Wolves was off it was obvious that Brum would be next. To be fair to the ref, at a Sky meeting they have minimal input. The pace, 2mins are all under instruction of Sky. The Barker decision was down to him completely though. I asked him why he excluded Barker and apparently Barker didn't react or change his line because of Morris. So was always going down. Would need to see the replay to confirm if that's right or not though. the barker decision was atrocious, how you can say it was correct is beyond me lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I asked him why he excluded Barker and apparently Barker didn't react or change his line because of Morris. So was always going down. Would need to see the replay to confirm if that's right or not though. Using that messed up theory then Josh Grajczonek should be excluded here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLi-RCjKpQ8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 From the Pits to watching the pits, The Ronniw and Rosco cartel was so evident last night, it was all set up the minuite it started to rain, Rosco to Ronnie we wont ride in this it' dangerous. Lets wait 15 mins and see if it gets worse Ron, that way we wont get to ht 10. So what does every one do follows suit, Troy doesnt want to get his kevlars wet so he wants to go home. This was only the second time I have been to Bham this year and it showed that the BSPA monopoly do not want Bham to do any good. Sky delayed the meeting when any other time they would have been at heat 3 before the meeting started, made to move forward to get the meeting finished. Overall a p--s poor performance by Sky the mafia and the paying public got robbed. Shame on all of you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) He should be suspended for that decision, refs should be accountable for all the decisions they make, he made 2 big mistakes, The Barker incident and the fact he failed to push the meeting through quicker. It doesnt matter whether Sky are there or not, PRIOR to 7.30 the black clouds were all around, why didnt he act? The riders were on the track a good 10/15mins before Heat 1!! That Barker decision was a disgrace, never seen anything like it. Imagine if that had been Heat 15 with it 42 all!! Refs will make mistakes but that was incompetence more than an error, would Tony Steele have made that decision. Very quick to make a decision, so didnt bother with the replay it seemed, I think he just got a dislike for Plymouth Riders, he's just following on from Plymouths meeting at Rye House, where according to Plymouth supporters that went to the meeting, said he didn't have a clue what he was doing, so par for the course I would say. Edited June 3, 2014 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adder Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 From the Pits to watching the pits, The Ronniw and Rosco cartel was so evident last night, it was all set up the minuite it started to rain, Rosco to Ronnie we wont ride in this it' dangerous. Lets wait 15 mins and see if it gets worse Ron, that way we wont get to ht 10. So what does every one do follows suit, Troy doesnt want to get his kevlars wet so he wants to go home. This was only the second time I have been to Bham this year and it showed that the BSPA monopoly do not want Bham to do any good. Sky delayed the meeting when any other time they would have been at heat 3 before the meeting started, made to move forward to get the meeting finished. Overall a p--s poor performance by Sky the mafia and the paying public got robbed. Shame on all of you And Elvis isn't dead, 9/11 was all a hoax, man never landed on the moon etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowasthatberntpersson Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Nick, on the other hand, is one of those guys who I'm amazed continues to hold down an Elite League position - I truly think he's out of his depth. I hereby nominate this for quote of the year. He's been riding full time Elite League since turning 16. Holding down a pretty decent average as a heat leader in 2014. I admit for some strange reason he does struggle at Birmingham, I suppose most riders have so called bogey tracks, but "out of his depth"? I have to ask - How many times have you actually seen him ride? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I'm no great fan of Morris, but he's a competent enough EL second string, it is strange he can't get to grips with PB though as it's not like introducing a Pole to Eastbourne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Around half a dozen times at Lakeside - maybe a couple of times as a guest. He's never (to the best of my memory) scored well; looks very uncomfortable on his bike and hasn't ever impressed. Apologies if I've upset people with my point of view. But that is the purpose of a forum - isn't it? Edited June 3, 2014 by The Voice Of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) He (Nick Morris) goes well at Leicester..... He's comfortable in the Premier League, but I think he is guilty as many double -uppers in the Elite League, he over rides and gets into all sorts of pickles! Will be better when he matures on track a little.... Edited June 3, 2014 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowasthatberntpersson Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Around half a dozen times at Lakeside - maybe a couple of times as a guest. He's never (to the best of my memory) scored well; looks very uncomfortable on his bike and hasn't ever impressed. Apologies if I've upset people with my point of view. But that is the purpose of a forum - isn't it? I suggest you look at his record at lakeside then - Certainly not out of his depth at your local track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yikes Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 the barker decision was atrocious, how you can say it was correct is beyond me lolWhen I said theBarker decision was down to him, I meant the ref. As in he didn't have the decision of the pace of the meeting but that potential howler of a call was his work! And I explained his [the refs] logic. Being at the track and not seeing it on sky yet I can't say if it was right or not but suspect probably not!! Using that messed up theory then Josh Grajczonek should be excluded here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLi-RCjKpQ8It was the same ref wasn't it SCB on Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not a good meeting with the delays and eventual call off. The only plus point was the continued improvement of Danny King who may have got his name included in the World Cup Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not a good meeting with the delays and eventual call off. The only plus point was the continued improvement of Danny King who may have got his name included in the World Cup Team. he was only pants at the start of the season so he could get his double up sorted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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