Super Blue Posted May 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Tend to agree with what's been said so far , however though in my opinion 3 Witches turned up for the whole meeting , 1 half way through and 3 not at all ! Would have been nice to be the first side to beat the Monarchs but was destined not to be . Little side issue , I don't actually recall a refereeing screw up tonight ! I'm not taking back what I said earlier about Barbara Horley but its certainly a first for her to get through a full meeting at Foxhall without one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Not a bad meeting considering the conditions. Spoke with Richie afterwards who said he had the set up completely wrong in the first 2. Gino is just a star this season along with Morten. Cam really struggled tonight didn't seem to know what lines to ride. Rohan got better and almost snatched the win in the last. The reserves were poor tonight beating out of the gate far to easily. Final thing tonight was the first time I've seen Cook ride and I've never witnessed such a miserable arrogant rider. In heat 13 Tungate and Worrall rode brilliantly to keep him behind. As the race finishes he gets to the first bend turns round and rides back no shake of the hands. In heat 15 Worrall leads him tapes to flag again no handshake or acknowledgement. I go to the pits he comes in after the race his team mates pay him on the back he ignores them and starts taking off his kevlars. As it was a draw both teams go on the truck. He moaned like a petulant child before getting on the truck and sitting there sulking not talking to anyone, comes back gets off the truck and goes to showers. The guy is the best rider in the premier but his attitude stinks. If you think you shouldn't be beat in the premier Craig then go and just ride elite league. After all that well done monarchs solid side and good to see Steve Worrall riding so well again So his attitude stinks because he is disappointed and annoyed that he didn't win? Just shows he is ambitious and wants to go out and win races nothing wrong with being angry and annoyed at getting beat. Anyway disappointed we didn't get the win couple of falls cost us a point but still unbeaten after 14 matches. Hopefully we will make it 15 tomorrow against the tigs. Edited May 29, 2014 by Mr Blobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchlad Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Gosh this Witches have some chips on their shoulders......bet there wouldn't be as many downing Cookie if it wasn't for last year, get a life, and enjoy your 45 all draw, and your point......I'm sure we will take our 2 and move on as Blobby says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Just shows he is ambitious and wants to go out and win races nothing wrong with being angry and annoyed at getting beat. That's one way of looking at it, but he didn't look very ambitious on the telly Monday. But the point Gavan was making was justified, all riders want to win, but the vast majority can shake a hand and accept defeat, sadly Cook doesn't appear to be able to. Some may call it ambition, but most would say he's a bad sportsman that cant accept it when he loses. No doubting his ability, but most riders can accept defeat in a sporting manner. Goodnight. Edited May 29, 2014 by spanner47 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 That's one way of looking at it, but he didn't look very ambitious on the telly Monday. But the point Gavan was making was justified, all riders want to win, but the vast majority can shake a hand and accept defeat, sadly Cook doesn't appear to be able to. Some may call it ambition, but most would say he's a bad sportsman that cant accept it when he loses. No doubting his ability, but most riders can accept defeat in a sporting manner. Goodnight. Irrespective of his talent, Cook has always a bad loser and shows his mentality with his actions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbend Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Summary of this evening Richie - shouldn't take 2 bad heats to work out set up but 3 great rides Gino - superb Morten - riding well and deserves praise Cam - not good and not sure if he can turn it round which is very worrying Rohan - getting back to form Adam - don't want to watch him showboating down the straights at the back then nearly falling off around the corners. Is his heart really at Ipswich? Ritchie - not good enough from an experienced reserve, only beat one rider all night. F0x ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt82 Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 That's one way of looking at it, but he didn't look very ambitious on the telly Monday. But the point Gavan was making was justified, all riders want to win, but the vast majority can shake a hand and accept defeat, sadly Cook doesn't appear to be able to. Some may call it ambition, but most would say he's a bad sportsman that cant accept it when he loses. No doubting his ability, but most riders can accept defeat in a sporting manner. Goodnight. As an Edinburgh fan I actually don't disagree with that, it's a bad side to him that he shows at times. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Maybe Richie went over to see what set up Steve had on his bike and finally found one that worked. I thought we have had Steve at number 1 all year and Edinburgh have had Richie at reserve the way it's been. The meeting went how I expected when Edinburgh won the toss and had the better gates at the start of the meeting. Ipswich came back into the meeting half way through when they got the better gates. This was one that Ipswich should have won but lost points when the riders lost places when riding the wrong lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Craigs just showing emotion isnt that what humans do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Craigs just showing emotion isnt that what humans do.he is the best rider in the league no question. Thing is its ok being annoyed when you get beat and then there is bad sportsmanship. To stop between bends 1 and 2 after a race and not acknowledge the other riders is petulant. If he can't take losing at this level then don't ride premier anymore. Maybe he just couldn't take being outrode by his Belle Vue team mate lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Remember Vince Lombardi? "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." Cookie is not riding to his normal high standard at the moment. But he'll get back to that level again. I didn't see Richie shaking hands with Cookie or Justin in heat 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I didn't see Richie shaking hands with Cookie or Justin in heat 1. Richie was so far off the pace he wouldve needed the fifth lap at race speed to catch them - Cook was right on their tails for the 4 laps. You dont need to give the winner a hug and send them flowers just a quick acknowledgement will do - even one given grudgingly through gritted teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Cook is scoring a lot fo zeros in the EL at the moment to race EL full time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Remember Vince Lombardi? "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." Cookie is not riding to his normal high standard at the moment. But he'll get back to that level again. I didn't see Richie shaking hands with Cookie or Justin in heat 1. I wasnt there but reading The Scotsman's quote it sounds like Gavan is using "facts" to suit his/her own argument. It seems to me the favourite sport just now is Cookie bashing whether it be PL or EL, Iit is always the same in sport, build someone up and then kick them down again as soon as they have any success. he is a professional sportsman in a dangerous sport, you cant judge his reactions just after a race like you judge other people. Give him a break for god sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Richie was so far off the pace he wouldve needed the fifth lap at race speed to catch them - Cook was right on their tails for the 4 laps. You dont need to give the winner a hug and send them flowers just a quick acknowledgement will do - even one given grudgingly through gritted teeth. So it's fine for one to do it and not another? Especially when it suits your own!!!! Get o'er yourselves!!! Maybe pointing to what someone else done instead of looking at the failings in your own team where you should have won the meeting - because you really should have won the meeting, shouldn't you!! I mean, you're Ipswich!!!! Seems to me that the Witches have the blue and white blinkers on this morning... Edited May 30, 2014 by Nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Always the blue & white blinkers at Ippo. In my opinion Justin was way clear of Gina in heat 8 when the Yank bailed out. And the incident was very similar to heat 13 when Sam was ridden into the thick stuff by Tungate and bailed out. There was consistency in both decisions, they were both wrong. Also Cookie gets a warning in heat 13 for nearly jumping through start. But Hawkins does the same in heat 2 and catches the tapes with his helmet but No warning. Buy hey ho Ippo somehow deserved to win? Not sure how how. Ippo have a good top 4 at home. But Heeps, Ellis & Hawkins were very poor. Very surprised at that. Ellis seems to be overriding - not sure if that's why he has so many offs. Maybe Heeps is still struggling with his wrist? Anyway - satisfied Monarchs got a draw. Probably should have been a win. Amazed at how bad gate 2 was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 get a grip people! Cook is the best rider in the league but his attitude last night was one of a big head to good for this league and didnt like it when he was beaten. Im not saying you should enjoy losing just show a bit of sportsmanship to the guy who beat you. As for people that werent there you dont even have an argument to discuss on here. In heat on Richie was tailed off with what i found out later was carb problems. Cook was half way down the back straight on his slow down lap when Worrall went over the line. Was Richie supposed to roar round and catch him up! After heat 13 Cook crossed the line a fag paper behind the 2 Ipswich boys. He slowed up took off his goggle and turned round rode back to the pits and got the jeers from the home fans in the main stand. Worrall and Tungate congratulated each other then turned round to see no Cook. I was then by the pits when Cook went back in and his team mates went up to him and he didnt acknowledge them. Then get stroppy when asked to get on the truck for the parade. As he went to the showers you ahve to walk past people by the pits area. I saw 2 people with children ask him for an autograph he declined. Im sorry he is a great rider but as a person he need to grow up a little bit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted May 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Let's look at some facts here. There is no doubt that Cook is arguably the best rider in the premier league and I was very surprised he was beaten 3 times by Witches riders last night. Secondly, he was clearly frustrated at being beaten and fully understandably showed it. Lastly, and without doubt he definitely has an attitude problem which was shown up big time last year at Foxhall with Ben Barker. Let's be honest, only someone who qualifies for an MBE award ( that's a Monumental Bell End Award ) is going to rip a heater off a wall and get himself thrown out of a meeting! No doubt I will get a pasting for this but hey ho facts is facts. Edited May 30, 2014 by Super Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Always the blue & white blinkers at Ippo. In my opinion Justin was way clear of Gina in heat 8 when the Yank bailed out. And the incident was very similar to heat 13 when Sam was ridden into the thick stuff by Tungate and bailed out. There was consistency in both decisions, they were both wrong. I enjoy a single malt but not as many as you evidently. You say it yourself 'Sam was ridden out' not knocked off or even blocked off. Re Gino bailing out its not surprising when clouted by someone attempting a far too narrow entry divebomb move. As for the result Id say its one where both sides will think they shouldve won so the draw probably the fairest . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Always the blue & white blinkers at Ippo. In my opinion Justin was way clear of Gina in heat 8 when the Yank bailed out. And the incident was very similar to heat 13 when Sam was ridden into the thick stuff by Tungate and bailed out. There was consistency in both decisions, they were both wrong. Also Cookie gets a warning in heat 13 for nearly jumping through start. But Hawkins does the same in heat 2 and catches the tapes with his helmet but No warning. Buy hey ho Ippo somehow deserved to win? Not sure how how. Ippo have a good top 4 at home. But Heeps, Ellis & Hawkins were very poor. Very surprised at that. Ellis seems to be overriding - not sure if that's why he has so many offs. Maybe Heeps is still struggling with his wrist? Anyway - satisfied Monarchs got a draw. Probably should have been a win. Amazed at how bad gate 2 was. Ok lets look at the things you have wrote. Firstly Sedgeman dive bombed Gino and knocked him off. not a hard decision and no arguments from anyone in th Monarchs side of the pits. Sedgeman went over to Gino when he came back to the pits to make sure he was ok. Then im really bemused how you see the Masters incident. Tungate went under him and took him wide. That is called speedway racing though quite clearly in your world you musnt ride riders out wide and actually cleanly pass a Monarchs rider. Masters ended up in the loose stuff about 4 feet from the fence and slid off. If you think Tungate should be excluded for passin a rider making sure the rider goes wide without touching him then you clearly have no idea abou the sport. What you should be moaning about is Masters not getting up when Cook was leading which then turned a 3-3 onto a 1-5. Cook rolled in an earlier heat and then blatantly was moving in heat 13 so deserved his warning. Hawkins also deserved a warning. Ellis isnt making starts like he used to and on a tricky track last night you couldnt really pass easily. We should have lost but the Monarchs threw away points so am more than happy to get a draw And the funniest thing you wrote: The Sedgeman/Gino incident was the same as the Masters/Tungate one!!!!! lol Sedgeman whacks Gino who goes down. Tungate leaves about 3 feet between him and Masters!! How in your world are they the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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