greyhoundp Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Who knows,with a bit of luck Cradley won't be in the NL next year.Then PL(or EL)fans can moan about us. http://www.dudleyheathens.co/news.php?extend.1030 Thats the second hint this year, I think they are beginning to realise the supporters wont settle for seeing Ommerings week in week out, yeah it was fine a couple of seasons ago, but when you win everything you are in it only has a certain shelf life, and people have begun to pick and choose which meetings to watch. From my own personal viewpoint i do enjoy NL racing when it is competitive, i enjoy seeing the youngsters trying, but when it comes to 60+ points every week then the entertainment just isnt there, and the andrenalin rush is missing, If we do win the League and other silverware in 2015, then Cradley have to move up, of that there is no doubt. It will be somewhat different being a small fish in a big pond again, and interesting to see the reaction of a good few supporters who have only known success on Track. Edited May 28, 2014 by greyhoundp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Hope so, I know some seem to enjoy 60+ scores but I didn't think much of the racing last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Who knows,with a bit of luck Cradley won't be in the NL next year.Then PL(or EL)fans can moan about us. http://www.dudleyheathens.co/news.php?extend.1030 Good to see Cradley showing ambition to move up a league--Good luck to them If its what you Cradley fans want-according to Dean Felton you owe us Scunny fans a beer or 3 and we have driven you out of the NL-- . It will be somewhat different being a small fish in a big pond again, and interesting to see the reaction of a good few supporters who have only known success on Track. I see no reason why Cradley wont have success in the PL ,good fan base and good supporters,seems perfect to me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I'm more than happy to see 60+ Ommerings if the racings good.Last night was boring.Still a nice pay day for the team I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crusader Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 As a stand alone Club Kent`s ambition this season was a compete and go for the League (according to Management). I am afraid they are a million miles away from that at the moment. Thrashed at Cradley,Coventry and Leicester. In the clubs defence this is not the team we started with. Due to injuries we are missing Benji Compton who in last week's speedway star is top of our averages and we don't know what Fremantle can do apart from fly over fences. Now we have completed the requisite number of matches for the averages we hope that the management will take action and change the team if only temporarily. I see also in the Star that Luke Priest is looking for a team. Don't know much about him or if he would be suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) I'm more than happy to see 60+ Ommerings if the racings good.Last night was boring.Still a nice pay day for the team I suppose. I'm happy to see an unexpected 60+ hammering (Like at Cradley a few years ago as a Stoke fan!) However, I'm not all that comfortable with two teams being so far apart in terms of how they were built. Kent, in theory, should have had enough to at least score 35. In Morley, Lambert and Mason, they have enough to be competitive in most meetings. They ran into a Cradley team in top form. It happens. Edited May 28, 2014 by vog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Thats the second hint this year, I think they are beginning to realise the supporters wont settle for seeing Ommerings week in week out, yeah it was fine a couple of seasons ago, but when you win everything you are in it only has a certain shelf life, and people have begun to pick and choose which meetings to watch. From my own personal viewpoint i do enjoy NL racing when it is competitive, i enjoy seeing the youngsters trying, but when it comes to 60+ points every week then the entertainment just isnt there, and the andrenalin rush is missing, If we do win the League and other silverware in 2015, then Cradley have to move up, of that there is no doubt. It will be somewhat different being a small fish in a big pond again, and interesting to see the reaction of a good few supporters who have only known success on Track. It is complete and utter panic by the Management Team. They realise they have completely misjudged the National League this season and built a team, I have to say a great team, that will wipe the floor of the National League this year. It should have been no suprise to anyone this season to realise that the National League was not going to be as strong as last season. However, the Cradley Management Team did not take any account of that. They now have a situation where they will score 60 plus at home and probably away every meeting and the supporters will start picking and choosing which meetings they attend. I notice with interest from the updates last night that the crowd was down. You can only have so many double headers because there are many teams heading your way that have been built with the interests of rider development rather than a team that has attracted the best riders for the highest points money. The BSPA should investigate if Teams are applying the guidelines of points money that are paid to riders which exists to ensure a level and fair playing field. It most certainly does not exist at this moment in time. Edited May 28, 2014 by roguetrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 It is complete and utter panic by the Management Team. They realise they have completely misjudged the National League this season and built a team, I have to say a great team, that will wipe the floor of the National League this year. It should have been no suprise to anyone this season to realise that the National League was not going to be as strong as last season. However, the Cradley Management Team did not take any account of that. They now have a situation where they will score 60 plus at home and probably away every meeting and the supporters will start picking and choosing which meetings they attend. I notice with interest from the updates last night that the crowd was down. You can only have so many double headers because there are many teams heading your way that have been built with the interests of rider development rather than a team that has attracted the best riders for the highest points money. The BSPA should investigate if Teams are applying the guidelines of points money that are paid to riders which exists to ensure a level and fair playing field. It most certainly does not exist at this moment in time. by reading that you are of the opinion that cradley are over paying riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted May 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 It's not just about the money. If I was an aspiring NL rider, I would want to ride for Cradley. GREAT setup, crowds, sponsors, team spirit & a chance to win trophies 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Have to ask, but if Cradley had built to 22.5 points would there be this rubbish about them??? NO!!! 40 points is the limit in the NL and 8 teams have built to that. No problem then? I have to add, as well, that Cradley since '47 have had way above average crowds with cash and a fervour that is second to none for the green & white and have also been 'Ommered way too often in the 1965 to 1979 years just like Scunny home & away....I was there!! 60+ is great to me as I have watched the Heathens struggling to get 20 at Dudley Wood back in the day so 2013/14 is payback, but I do hope that we move up to the PL or the EL sooner rather than later but then it is not my money is it to fund such a venture? If NL or 3rd Division is all we can do, let it roll on, if 21 years and counting for Buxton is good for them then it is for me with Dudley/Cradley (since 2010 relaunch). DISCUSS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edited May 28, 2014 by berniev123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) I to can remember the days of Alan Totney, Harry B, Ivor Brown, John Hart, John Belcher i think that was about 1962 or 63 goodness me if we finished bottom but one it was a good season, then we had rider control but they always seemed to give us riders that were past there sell by date, we even had a second halfer (Lyn Brown) i think that was his name he used to get half a lap start, and by the second lap he had been caught and passed. Despite all of this one thing remained constant the fans stood by the team, and lots of those self same fans now bring there Grandkids to watch the present Cradley Team. Where i do differ is whilst 60+ home wins are novel to begin with, to get them week in week out does nothing for me, the old happiness is 40-38 was far more nail biting and on tip toe stuff, (not many seats at Dudley Wood lol). when did we last have a last heat decider at Monmore ?. If we are to remain in the NL it may be worthwhile to replace Starkie & Stevie with 3 pointers for 2015, and have the Team led by Max, backed by Nathan, Matt, and Danny, it would be a Team thats competitive but not over strong, and then as the Team matures they would challenge for honours every 3rd season or so. If we do go PL i would like to see the Team with predominantly British riders. Edited May 28, 2014 by greyhoundp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Interesting debate about the purpose of the National League. It's very noble to say we should be developing young British talent, a sentiment I absolutely agree with, but it can't be at the expense of entertaining the crowd. If spectators are not engaged they will vote with their feet. I see suggestions that we should reduce the team building limits, but if we do that where are the riders with higher averages supposed to go? Maybe it's time to look at something other than averages. What about length of experience, or grading riders by their immediate potential; a system that makes a prediction about what a rider might be capable of, rather than what they have achieved? We're all pretty good at pointing out what's wrong with the way things are, but what we really need is to come up with something that works. A not-so-quick word about Kent's performance (which I didn't see). Simon Lambert is better than this; even against Cradley he should be able to bang in 8 or 9 points. Benji Compton would have scored more than the 3 points we got from rider replacement. Ben Morley should be able to hold his own against this sort of opposition by now. Luke Chessell is starting to believe again, but he and the two reserves were out of their depth. David Mason..............look I love the guy to bits for being the catalyst for better things last year, and for nurturing the younger guys. However, although we still see flashes of brilliance, you have to say his best days on a bike are behind him now and he needs to think about a coaching/management future. We do have Brandon Freemantle on the side-lines still and, on his day, he's worth a few points. Best case scenario? I reckon Kent could have pushed 40 points with a full strength team firing on all cylinders. That would have satisfied me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 . If we are to remain in the NL it may be worthwhile to replace Starkie & Stevie with 3 pointers for 2015, . And there is where most NL fans become very short sighted---Next year Starke,Worrall,Greenwood,Jacobs,Nielsen,Rose and Bates look like[,and hope they do,]will leave the NL due to success and a decent PL average So that 7 top riders gone from the NL that need to be replaced,without teams chucking rookies in how will they be replaced??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 And there is where most NL fans become very short sighted---Next year Starke,Worrall,Greenwood,Jacobs,Nielsen,Rose and Bates look like[,and hope they do,]will leave the NL due to success and a decent PL average So that 7 top riders gone from the NL that need to be replaced,without teams chucking rookies in how will they be replaced??? Thats what Im saying replace them with 3 pointers, rather than look around for the best available riders and making them an offer they cant refuse, which has been our policy up until now. Okay so we may be able to attract the best 3 pointers but its still a gamble if they will improve or not, and some progress at a different pace, look at the improvement from Lewis Kerr absolutely amazing and Im pleased for the lad, then look at riders such as Brendan Johnson and our own Tom Perry, both seem to have levelled out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I agree with the idea about developing new talent, thats what the league is for but, it still needs PL & EL promoters to employ those that are to good for NL. If not there will be alot out of work & riders from abroad riding on 4.50 averages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 And there is where most NL fans become very short sighted---Next year Starke,Worrall,Greenwood,Jacobs,Nielsen,Rose and Bates look like[,and hope they do,]will leave the NL due to success and a decent PL average So that 7 top riders gone from the NL that need to be replaced,without teams chucking rookies in how will they be replaced??? Every team starts with rookies,but there is a huge difference between starting with 2 rookie reserves,and starting with 6 rookies. In theory,year on year,the top 10 or so riders should move up and be replaced at the bottom end. Scunthorpe seem to have a view that the only way to get riders at the bottom end is to have then all in one go now,ready for next season. If 4 of them decide to move on,will the toys be thrown out of the pram again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Every team starts with rookies,but there is a huge difference between starting with 2 rookie reserves,and starting with 6 rookies. In theory,year on year,the top 10 or so riders should move up and be replaced at the bottom end. Scunthorpe seem to have a view that the only way to get riders at the bottom end is to have then all in one go now,ready for next season. If 4 of them decide to move on,will the toys be thrown out of the pram again? Which riders would you then add to the stags to make us stronger???? The other point is why should we step up to a level of a team that dropped down??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Which riders would you then add to the stags to make us stronger???? The other point is why should we step up to a level of a team that dropped down??? Luke Priest and don't say journeyman cos Lee Dicken was hardly inspired. I'd rathet they left it as it was to see how it plays out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Lee Dicken maybe better than Steve Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I've said before and Greyhound P also mentioned Mark Robinson. He would be great with the youngsters and would score plenty of points himself at that level. No idea if he would be interested but he did talk about it a while back when he scored 7+2 from 3 completed rides against a Birmingham Select. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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